Vaccinations: Invasive, or not?

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Registered: 06-07-2010
Vaccinations: Invasive, or not?
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Wed, 08-25-2010 - 7:34pm

Would you define a vaccination as an "invasive procedure"?

Texas health codes define "invasive procedures" as:
3) "Invasive procedure" means:
(A) a surgical entry into tissues, cavities, or organs; or
(B) repair of major traumatic injuries associated with any of the following:
(i) an operating or delivery room, emergency department, or outpatient setting, including a physician's or dentist's office;
(ii) cardiac catheterization or angiographic procedures;
(iii) a vaginal or cesarean delivery or other invasive obstetric procedure during which bleeding may occur; or
(iv) the manipulation, cutting, or removal of any oral or perioral tissues, including tooth structure, during which bleeding occurs or the potential for bleeding exists.

Would you define an injection as a surgical procedure? We're looking at the issue of consent for taking the kids to get their before-school shots.

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Registered: 02-08-2010
Wed, 08-25-2010 - 7:38pm

Probably just (a)

I don't know about 'surgical' might have to bring out the dictionary on that one, but it is an entry into the tissue.

I got a huge dimple on my leg thanks to a vaccination. So traumatic for the body apparently that my muscle has retreated into my body all these years. ;P

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Registered: 06-07-2010
Wed, 08-25-2010 - 7:57pm

We did some research and spoke with an LPN about it, who told us that "invasive" is reserved for things that are inserted for longer than 5 seconds, like an IV.

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Registered: 07-23-2010
Wed, 08-25-2010 - 8:18pm
No. But I wouldn't classify a normal vaginal birth as an invasive procedure either.
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Wed, 08-25-2010 - 8:27pm
I wouldn't consider it a surgical procedure.

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Registered: 06-26-2009
Wed, 08-25-2010 - 8:48pm
No, and I bet a dollar the law doesn't either. Vax are so mainstream and assumed as the default that they'd almost certainly be specified if applicable.

 

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Registered: 06-28-2008
Wed, 08-25-2010 - 8:55pm

No.


And without the vaccinations, the issue of "before school" may become moot.

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Registered: 06-07-2010
Thu, 08-26-2010 - 11:07am
No, and I bet a dollar the law doesn't either. Vax are so mainstream and assumed as the default that they'd almost certainly be specified if applicable.



See, this was my thinking also. I did some more digging, and found out that a medical assistant can give a vaccination shot. (In fact, in our case, it was one of the medical assistants who gave SD her shots, not the doctor.) But medical assistants are prohibited from doing any "invasive procedures" like placing an IV.


The reason it's even an issue is that BM is threatening legal action because BD took YSD for her shots, and BM didn't consent. Not because she has an issue with the vaccinations, but because she wanted to be the one to do it.


And it wasn't an issue at the time (like a week ago), but it's an issue now, because BM wants to take SDs to a therapist, without BD. Their CO states that in the case of psychiatric or psychological treatment, and in the case of non-emergency invasive medical treatment, that the other parent must consent. BD said he wanted to be there, and that if BM wouldn't allow that, then he doesn't consent for them to be treated.


BM maintains that the shots were an invasive procedure, and that if BD persists in trying to attend the therapy session, that she'll have him held in contempt of court for the shots issue.


So, figured I'd poll and see if the idea that vaccinations were invasive was a pervasive one.
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Thu, 08-26-2010 - 11:09am

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No.


And if my ex were opposed to vaccines, I'd get the shot first and tell him about it later. I would not ask permission.

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Registered: 06-07-2010
Thu, 08-26-2010 - 11:21am
And if my ex were opposed to vaccines, I'd get the shot first and tell him about it later. I would not ask permission.



I have some friends (who don't have any kids) who are reeeeally strongly opposed to vaccines. Like, Jenny McCarthy strong. I'm not sure what we'd do if BM was seriously opposed to the inoculations themselves. Probably the same thing, just do it and tell her later. Most of BD's family is involved in the health care profession in one way or another, and they'd have a fit if we weren't vaccinating the kids.
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Registered: 05-19-2009
Thu, 08-26-2010 - 12:42pm

No. But I wouldn't classify a normal vaginal birth as an invasive procedure either.>>>

But I would classify the impregnation that way. :)

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