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Registered: 04-04-2003
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Sat, 08-30-2003 - 1:04am
I came here last night to ask about shots for my son (9 shots in 2 months). Thank you all for your replies, BTW! I started reading some of the discussions here and just wanted to share my story.

I DID take him for the shots today, but only out of fear.

On August 4th I took my son (13 mos) for outpatient surgery (undescended testicles). The surgeon came out after he was done and informed us that he had called Children's Services on us because #1, our son had a small burn on his finger and #2, because he noticed that Ethan was not up to date on his shots which he said is "totally unheard of these days".

He had already called an ambulance to come and get our child (who was waking up from surgery, crying for Mommy...but Mommy is busy being told that her baby is being sent away to the Childrens Hospital, ARRGH!). So, we stayed a night in the hospital (jail) and had to explain many times why he was behind on shots. After explaining that we would catch him up and after a week of Hell (specialists, social workers etc...) it was decided that we were fine parents and our case was closed. Yay!

I have been "on the fence" for awhile about shots. My two older children did get them all but I didn't know much then and never questioned it. My new baby got the 2 month shots and that was it. Partially because he was sick ALL winter and couldn't get them, but also because I just hadn't quite decided where I stood on this issue.

I guess my mind was made up for me. Unfortunately, I get his shots done or I deal with social workers on my doorstep and the thought of my children being taken away is more than I can bear :o(



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Registered: 03-26-2003
Sat, 08-30-2003 - 1:45am
I'm so sorry you had to deal with all this. I have never had to defend are decision to not vaccinate to social workers but I am worried that the day will come. Recently I had to take my completely unvaxed 9month old to an pediatric eye specialist due to an eye problem and had to deal with a Dr that I'm sure was on the phone to my Ped immediatly after I left wondering why he allowed me not to vaccinate. Thier was a question on the new patient forms asking if your child is up to date with shots. I left it blank because I never know how to answer that. The nurse asked me and not wanting to lie I answered truthfully. Tthen the third degree began from her. Then the Dr asked why and after explaining to him he looked at me and said "your Pediatrition allows you to not vaccinate". Anyway I'm wandering away from your post. I don't know what to tell you ecxept that maybe you could visit with an attorney or check into your laws on-line a bit more and see if your state allows social services to use non-vaccination as a criteria to remove children or to even investigate parents. Oh and one more thing many Dr seem to forget is that the schedual for receiving vaccines is simply a recomended one not a required one. A person does not have to vaccinate on that schedual. Lots of people delay vaccinations or spead them very far apart. Just look at how many people wait until Kindergarden to get the chickenpox shot even though it's "recommended" at 12 -18 months of age.


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Registered: 03-27-2003
Sat, 08-30-2003 - 10:24am
Tracy, that is just reprehensible that the surgeon would call CPS without even discussing his concerns with you first. What a terrible stress on your family, as well as a waste of critical resources!!

No parent should be threatened into vaccinating. There is no law that says a 13 month old child must be vaccinated. If it were me, I would get a copy of your state's laws (from the health department) and include a copy of them with a formal letter of complaint to the hospital regarding the surgeon's unprofessional and unwarranted conduct.

Best of luck to you -- and hope your little guy is doing well!!


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Sat, 08-30-2003 - 10:32am
ITA~ Good luck~Miki
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Sat, 08-30-2003 - 11:16am

First I am sorry you had to deal with that! Secondly I know how that feels to deal with socical workers. When Lindsey fell through a cold air return at my parents house There was one waiting for us when we got to the childrens hospital. They make you feel as if you are the worst parent in the world, when really you are a great parent.

I have to say this though..NOT ONCE were my dh and I asked if our kids were vaccinated. EVER! Lindsey had multipul scrapes on her back and they never once asked if she was up to date on her DTP shots. They in fact did not even give her any shots, or ask us if they could.

Our older daughter had tubes put in and noone again asked if she was vaxed. I am wondering why my hospital differs from so many others? I have heard nothing but stories on how hospitals are calling SW or giving shots that are not wanted.

Again i am sorry you had to deal with any of it considering your DS was sick and under the knife. UGH this is why so many children who are being abused die. SW spend more time of those parents who are good parents then watching the ones who really need to be watched.

Good Luck with the kids, hope you never have to deal with that again.


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Registered: 03-27-2003
Sat, 08-30-2003 - 1:57pm
OH... MY... GOD. Is this Nazi Germany we're talking about, or the USA? Your story plays into every fear I have of being denied my parental rights in this country. That is outrageous and unacceptable! I am so angry for you - I have so much empathy with what you must have been going through. I'm so, so sorry you had to deal with that. I would have lost my everloving MIND if they had blocked me from being with my son after surgery. Oh Tracy, that is just awful.

I'm not sure what I'd do in your case. The thought of anyone doing anything to take my kids away from me would probably have made me do exactly what you did. It was WRONG that you were forced into a decision that you weren't comfortable with, but it's the lesser of two evils I guess, right? I was a delayed vaxer, so I guess I was lucky my parenting skills were never questioned the way yours were.

I am working on a story to send in to several of the morning shows and the news magazines, and I wonder if you would be willing to tell your story if they happen to want to carry it? I am seeing so many bully-tactics with this whole mandated immunization program, and I'll be damned if I'm going to do nothing while the states run rough-shod over parents because of it.

I noticed the cross by your name - I am a Christian also, some would say a crusader, because I tend to yell really loudly when I feel abused (by anyone - the government, the schools, the media). I did a lot of praying about this last night, and I feel very led by God to do something about this. I know that if this is something he wants me to do, the way will be paved before me.

Anyway, thanks for sharing your story. I'll let everyone know if I've been successful in getting the media's attention on this thing.


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Registered: 04-04-2003
Sat, 08-30-2003 - 9:39pm
Thank you all for the support. It was really the worst week of my life. Definitely one of my worst fears in life! I have seen so many people get their children taken away needlessly and it really angers me.

On the other hand, like someone else mentioned, I see people who aren't fit to be parents and yet no one ever questions their parenting. Uggh!


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Registered: 03-27-2003
Sun, 08-31-2003 - 7:06pm
BTDT. When my dd had to go for stitches last year, we spent over 12 hrs being harassed over her vax status, including being threatened with CPS. I eventually "allowed" them to give her tetanus (dt as it turned out, one of the few vaxes still containing mercury, lucky us) and the immunoglobulin after repeated objections and refusals. "Allowed" meaning I felt unable to prevent it and stopped fighting. Some "choice", huh?

But according to some, it was my "choice" and I shouldn't feel victimized by the situation. ;)

It is one thing to know your rights, know the law, and quite another to be in a hospital with an injured or ill child needing care and be threatened with the loss of your child.

That this does happen makes a mockery of "informed consent".

And ITA; meanwhile, babies are being raped and/or beaten to death in their homes, despite reports to CPS. (a CPS hotline operator here was just fired over her failure to follow up on a call from a pizza delivery driver's report of a toddler with a black eye who ended up brutally molested and killed by her "father" just mths later). Unless there is some other indication of neglect or abuse, CPS has FAR more important things to deal with than otherwise loving parents exercising their right to make an informed choice on vaccinations.