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Mon, 01-05-2009 - 3:57pm

Melissa,


I lost the thread where your husband wrote his response to but I printed it out beforehand.

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Tue, 01-06-2009 - 12:22pm

I'm glad someone is actually reading it! :-p .. I'm sure he meant needless .. but I'd have to go back and look.

Also -- where did you read that smallpox is not contagious? Humans are the only host for smallpox and without it being contagious, how does one explain past outbreaks?

"Generally, direct and fairly prolonged face-to-face contact is required to spread smallpox from one person to another. Smallpox also can be spread through direct contact with infected bodily fluids or contaminated objects such as bedding or clothing. Rarely, smallpox has been spread by virus carried in the air in enclosed settings such as buildings, buses, and trains. Humans are the only natural hosts of variola. Smallpox is not known to be transmitted by insects or animals.

A person with smallpox is sometimes contagious with onset of fever (prodrome phase), but the person becomes most contagious with the onset of rash. At this stage the infected person is usually very sick and not able to move around in the community. The infected person is contagious until the last smallpox scab falls off." -- US Dept of Health and Human Services




Edited 1/6/2009 12:31 pm ET by milacelcia


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Tue, 01-06-2009 - 2:36pm

I can only do short replys right now - I'll see if I can locate the info re: smallpox. The jist was a doctor wanted to prove it was not contagious and saw a patient whom had smallpox. The doctor then wiped his hands all over the patient and then wiped himself. He went about his day encountering hundreds of people and no one caught it. The stunt landed him in jail but he was pox free.


Had an appt this AM so am behind on the rest of the stuff. (work too - but that will always be here. :-))

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Tue, 01-06-2009 - 2:53pm

Here's one that I saved, this doesn't go into the direct contact info (that one will follow below, but also is NOT the one I'm looking for (I'll keep looking) - but is an interesting read nonetheless.


http://www.naturodoc.com/library/public_health/truth_re_smallpox_vaccine.htm

One of the conclusions in Thomas McKeown's seminal work, The Modern Rise of Populations (1976, also endorsed by a Lancet editorial, 2/1/75), was that the decline in mortality in the 18th and 19th centuries was essentially due to the reduction in deaths from infectious diseases, and that it was not the result of immunizations. Similar studies by scholars John and Sonia McKinlay (1977) shows that almost all the increase in human lifespan since the year 1900 is due to reductions in infectious disease, with medical intervention (of all kinds) accounting for only about 3 percent of that reduction. According to World Health Statistics Annual, 1973-76, Vol.2, "there has been a steady decline of infectious diseases in most developing countries regardless of the percentage of immunizations administered in these countries."

Before health agencies and schools of public health were completely taken over by allopathic medicine, in the service of their pharmaceutical cartel owners, the great legacy of the sanitary reformers -- Max von Penttenkofer, James T. Briggs, Dr. John Snow, Edwin Chadwick, Florence Nightingale, Dr. Southwood Smith, et al. was that they were able to eradicate cholera, yellow fever, tuberculosis, typhus, typhoid, scarlet fever, diptheria, whooping cough, measles, and the bubonic plague long before vaccinations were developed or routinely used.

Not only had poor sanitation and nutrition lain the foundation for disease, it was also compulsory smallpox vaccination campaigns in the late 19th and early 20th centuries that played a major role in decimating the populations of Japan (48,000 deaths), England and Wales (44,840 deaths, after 97 percent of the population had been vaccinated), Scotland, Ireland, Sweden, Switzerland, Holland, Italy, India (3 million -- all vaccinated), Australia, Germany (124,000 deaths), Prussia (69,000 deaths -- all re-vaccinated), and the Philippines. The epidemics ended in cities where smallpox vaccinations were either discontinued or never begun, and also after sanitary reforms were instituted (most notably in Munich -- 1880, Leicester -- 1878, Barcelona -- 1804, Alicante -- 1827, India -- 1906, etc).


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http://www.naturodoc.com/library/bio-war/smallpox_outbreak.htm


Smallpox will not rapidly disseminate throughout the community.

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Tue, 01-06-2009 - 3:02pm

Here is a link with a bunch of different articles re: smallpox not being contagious (or easily transmissible, or easily treated) - but the more specific one I was referring to is below: (It was Dr. Rodermund)


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Tue, 01-06-2009 - 7:38pm

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Tue, 01-06-2009 - 11:08pm

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Someone else read it too. Someone is still waiting on a reply.

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Wed, 01-07-2009 - 12:56am
He knows there are questions :-p .... I've forwarded them on -- but he's been really busy again and usually weekends are his best time to sit down and try to answer .. I'll see if I can prod him for more answers ;)


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Wed, 01-07-2009 - 1:25am
Seriously, no rush. Had a bad day and probably misread your tone. Didn't want you to think that op was the ONLY person who bothers to read posts. I do still need to go back and reread some(sahm w/2 small ones, i get interrupted a lot).
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Wed, 01-07-2009 - 7:16am
I'm still in the midst of trying to get through it. It's my goal this AM however to at least get through 1/2 of it. And, fully concur with the other comments - no rush - it is however nice to have a man say something - they sure are under represented in this board.
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Wed, 01-07-2009 - 7:58am

Cross contamination.

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