anti-all of it

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Registered: 09-09-2007
anti-all of it
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Fri, 12-05-2008 - 2:03am

I've been reading lots of posts and I know there's lots of people here who will most likely just agree with what I have to say. I'll say it for those who won't.

I agree with most that I have read from the "anti-vaccine" people. One thing I'm surprised to not be reading is thoughts on antibiotics. I've seen some of you "anti" talking about being sick but it's okay because you're taking drugs. I don't think that many provaccine people realize that the human body is genetically, on the most basic scientific level, DESIGNED to fight off invaders (i.e. germs, illness) IF left to grow the way it is designed to the immune system is made to heal the body. The problem is that we (general) introduce unnatural things into a brand new immune system unnecessarily. On top of the vaccines that are growing too numerous to count, any time there is a sniffle or blink these children are stuffed with antibiotics or otc medicines. Let's remind that immune system that it doesn't have to do a thing!! That way when the illness comes back or the germs are touched again the body won't know what to do and the antibiotics will rush in and save the day. (Oh, and the pharm companies will buy a bigger wallet)
Let me just give a personal example of prodrugs vs antidrugs.
My ds stopped getting vaccines when he was about 1. In 4 years he has been to the dr. 2 times for being sick. Both times he got so much worse than if he hadn't gone at all. I was a worried mom and wanted to alleviate his pain. Turns out he's allergic to antibiotics. The second time they gave him a different one and he ended up in the hospital. After that we gave high doses of tlc anytime he was under the weather, which has been once since that incident 2 years ago. When he was 2 he was in daycare and almost every child got pinkeye. Of course, every single parent ran for the antibiotics. I said, no thanks and used homeopathic drops and warm compresses. His cleared up overnight and stayed gone as child after child developed reoccuring cases and needed repeat antibiotics.
My ds and dd have natural immune systems that are as untainted by the pharm companies as I can get them. We don't fight a fever off with meds and stuffy noses and chest congestion are treated with humidifiers and steamy bathrooms. My children are very rarely sick and when they are it is for a very short period of time. If they were to get an illness on the vaccine list I honestly feel they would fight if off better than a vaccinated child. I welcome everyday germs and don't use antibacterial soap. My kids touch shopping carts and cookies that fell on the kitchen floor. Yet, my friends kids who are all vaccinated and go to the dr for this that and everything in between are constantly getting sick. Their immune systems cannot handle anything because they are conditioned to wait for the drugs to take over.
So, if an immunized, frequent antibiotic user gets a case of the mumps their immune system thinks that it doesn't have to do anything because it already got a shot for it. The weakened immune system allows secondary illnesses to take over and lead to complications. Complications from these illnesses are rare but in a child with a real immune system they would be even more rare.
I read a post from someone claiming that a can of tuna has more mercury that a shot. Um, who in the world do you know that is shooting tuna into their veins? I hear these arguments a lot about those chemicals being in other things that we ingest all the time. I don't think these people understand that there really is quite a difference between inGesting and inJecting.
To all you hogwash swallowers out there...just because the cdc says it doesn't mean it's true. There are so many fear mongerers in the media outlets these days that I understand why you'd think that your kid needs the flu shot or the latest vaccine or the newest antibiotic for their sneezes. I wish more people would do their own research. And remember, doctors who go against the pharm companies are not popular people. Pharmaceutical companies control a lot. and hide a lot.
I'm a stay at home mom so I get to see daytime tv commercials. I'm sure you've all seen the ads run for local lawyers. It seems that every day there is a new commercial asking if you or someone you know was harmed from some kind of drug. If so you should join the "sue em" bandwagon. When I was young I remember the birth control patch being a big fad that all the high school girls wanted because you didn't have to remember to take it everyday. Guess what? Now the Ortho Evra patch people are being sued. My point is that these drugs have not been around long enough for any of us to know all the ramifications of them.

Bottom line- I don't think it's enough to just not immunize. Use common sense with the smaller things. If you have a strong immune system you don't need the pills and shots. If you don't take the pills and shots then you have a strong immune system. And science wins again.

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Registered: 09-23-2005
In reply to: robin_3764
Fri, 12-05-2008 - 2:51am

I am interested to know if there's anything you think is serious enough for a doctor's visit.

I agree with most of what you say. We also do not use over the counter medications for sniffles or fevers. The only exception I make is if our kids are kept up at night with coughs. I will use something for that, but for nighttime only. We cannot use humidifiers because our oldest is asthmatic and they actually set off his asthma. I have found that when they get good sleep, they are able to get better faster than if I don't give them anything and they are up at night coughing so badly they vomit. If you know of a better natural remedy for coughs, I am all for trying it, though!

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Than

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Registered: 04-09-2008
In reply to: robin_3764
Fri, 12-05-2008 - 10:13am
Hi Robin, I think the reason why you're not seeing so much about antibiotics (and everything else) is because most try to keep it on topic with vaccinations - however, some times conversations have switched to the above mentioned. That however said, most that I know that don't vaccinate also don't do "too much" of over-the- counter medications or antibiotics, but, there is a time when antibiotics are needed. (I don't see however OTC as a necessity).

Rands

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Registered: 09-09-2007
In reply to: robin_3764
Fri, 12-05-2008 - 10:52am

I think there are obviously times when medical intervention would be required. If my child had severe abdominal pain I wouldn't think that a cool bath or humidifier would cure appendicitis or something else more serious. My post was getting pretty long but I should have said that of course I don't disagree with medical assistance when the situation really requires it. Today's children are simply overmedicated for things that don't really need meds at all. Have you ever had a cough at night? Did it kill you? I know it's annoying and as a mother you want to ease their suffering but IMO drugs are causing more harm than letting things simply run their course. My kids are not in daycare but still fell victim to the stomach bug that went around our area a few months ago. I kept them hydrated and they got through it in a few days. A friend that works at a daycare said kids were leaving for dr appts left and right. Why? It's not convenient in our busy time to stay home with sick kids for days on end. Fever? Take some tylenol. Sniffles? Take some otc med or better yet...go to the dr who will undoubtedly say it's an upper respiratory infection or an ear infection or some other overdiagnosed illness and give you antibiotics so your kids will be less likely to be able to fight off their next illness. Then you have to go back and get more and round and round it goes.

I honestly do not know much about asthmatic kids. Can you not do a steamy bathroom? We do that and vaporub on the chest and back of neck and prop up on lots of pillows. Last winter my husband taught me the trick of putting a bowl of water in front of a space heater. It kept my ds from getting that dry winter air cough. I've often read that a spoonful of honey will help a cough. I personally like to take a teaspoonful of apple cider vinegar at the onset of any symptoms and find that if I continue to get sick at all that the symptoms are much more mild. I agree that sleep helps and understand when parents can't stay home and let the kids get any sleep they can at any time of the day.

Long winded again, sorry, but to answer your question, there are things I would seek medical help for but can only think of extreme things that would have to occur for that to happen.

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Registered: 09-09-2007
In reply to: robin_3764
Fri, 12-05-2008 - 10:59am

Well, sorry to take it off topic. I personally think the two go very hand in hand only because my reasoning against them is the same. I haven't seen a lot of my same kind of reasoning against vaccines and I guess I wanted to throw this out there and see what people on both sides thought.
I agree that meds are overused and of course there are some that aren't bad. I don't think that the people who use them are bad people either, just uninformed.

If someone asks me why I don't vaccinate or opt to go to the doctor for most things I can answer with scientific fact and sound reasoning. Ask someone why they choose to vaccinate and load up on meds and their usually isn't too much fact or reasoning in their answer...unless the "facts" are from the cdc or some other govt and pharm co run organization. I just want people to open their minds and do the research. Why do people trust some guy in a white coat with a faceless organization behind him to say oh, this is perfectly safe, here let me put it in your child's bloodstream. It's ludicrous to me.

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Registered: 04-09-2008
In reply to: robin_3764
Fri, 12-05-2008 - 11:10am
No need to apologize, I was just stating that I think that's why you don't see much on the topic - I'm pretty sure many feel the same way you do (or, I should say more specifically, those that don't vaccinate, though I also know those that do vaccinate but don't go over the top on meds, prescription or otherwise unless absolutely needed).
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Registered: 07-03-2006
In reply to: robin_3764
Fri, 12-05-2008 - 2:48pm

We do vaccinate, but I agree that antibiotics are overused.

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Registered: 04-09-2008
In reply to: robin_3764
Fri, 12-05-2008 - 3:20pm

This is true at least in my experience.

Rands

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Registered: 04-09-2008
In reply to: robin_3764
Fri, 12-05-2008 - 3:25pm

I don't know what others will think of this (giving that we're talking absorption and it's not natural), but I tried it on me and it worked...


I was getting a bad cough at night and I'm thinking it was from the air being too dry in the bedroom (drinking water wasn't fully cutting it either) but I heard about putting Vick's vapor rub on the feet then putting socks on. I thought I'd try it given I couldn't sleep.

Rands

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Registered: 09-23-2005
In reply to: robin_3764
Fri, 12-05-2008 - 5:50pm

Thanks for clarifying.

The only time we use cough medicine is when they're coughing so badly that they end up vomiting.

Why vinegar?

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Registered: 12-14-2000
In reply to: robin_3764
Fri, 12-05-2008 - 11:13pm

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Some kids with asthma do well with a steamy bathroom, but some just can't tolerate the humidity.

 

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