anti-all of it

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anti-all of it
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Fri, 12-05-2008 - 2:03am

I've been reading lots of posts and I know there's lots of people here who will most likely just agree with what I have to say. I'll say it for those who won't.

I agree with most that I have read from the "anti-vaccine" people. One thing I'm surprised to not be reading is thoughts on antibiotics. I've seen some of you "anti" talking about being sick but it's okay because you're taking drugs. I don't think that many provaccine people realize that the human body is genetically, on the most basic scientific level, DESIGNED to fight off invaders (i.e. germs, illness) IF left to grow the way it is designed to the immune system is made to heal the body. The problem is that we (general) introduce unnatural things into a brand new immune system unnecessarily. On top of the vaccines that are growing too numerous to count, any time there is a sniffle or blink these children are stuffed with antibiotics or otc medicines. Let's remind that immune system that it doesn't have to do a thing!! That way when the illness comes back or the germs are touched again the body won't know what to do and the antibiotics will rush in and save the day. (Oh, and the pharm companies will buy a bigger wallet)
Let me just give a personal example of prodrugs vs antidrugs.
My ds stopped getting vaccines when he was about 1. In 4 years he has been to the dr. 2 times for being sick. Both times he got so much worse than if he hadn't gone at all. I was a worried mom and wanted to alleviate his pain. Turns out he's allergic to antibiotics. The second time they gave him a different one and he ended up in the hospital. After that we gave high doses of tlc anytime he was under the weather, which has been once since that incident 2 years ago. When he was 2 he was in daycare and almost every child got pinkeye. Of course, every single parent ran for the antibiotics. I said, no thanks and used homeopathic drops and warm compresses. His cleared up overnight and stayed gone as child after child developed reoccuring cases and needed repeat antibiotics.
My ds and dd have natural immune systems that are as untainted by the pharm companies as I can get them. We don't fight a fever off with meds and stuffy noses and chest congestion are treated with humidifiers and steamy bathrooms. My children are very rarely sick and when they are it is for a very short period of time. If they were to get an illness on the vaccine list I honestly feel they would fight if off better than a vaccinated child. I welcome everyday germs and don't use antibacterial soap. My kids touch shopping carts and cookies that fell on the kitchen floor. Yet, my friends kids who are all vaccinated and go to the dr for this that and everything in between are constantly getting sick. Their immune systems cannot handle anything because they are conditioned to wait for the drugs to take over.
So, if an immunized, frequent antibiotic user gets a case of the mumps their immune system thinks that it doesn't have to do anything because it already got a shot for it. The weakened immune system allows secondary illnesses to take over and lead to complications. Complications from these illnesses are rare but in a child with a real immune system they would be even more rare.
I read a post from someone claiming that a can of tuna has more mercury that a shot. Um, who in the world do you know that is shooting tuna into their veins? I hear these arguments a lot about those chemicals being in other things that we ingest all the time. I don't think these people understand that there really is quite a difference between inGesting and inJecting.
To all you hogwash swallowers out there...just because the cdc says it doesn't mean it's true. There are so many fear mongerers in the media outlets these days that I understand why you'd think that your kid needs the flu shot or the latest vaccine or the newest antibiotic for their sneezes. I wish more people would do their own research. And remember, doctors who go against the pharm companies are not popular people. Pharmaceutical companies control a lot. and hide a lot.
I'm a stay at home mom so I get to see daytime tv commercials. I'm sure you've all seen the ads run for local lawyers. It seems that every day there is a new commercial asking if you or someone you know was harmed from some kind of drug. If so you should join the "sue em" bandwagon. When I was young I remember the birth control patch being a big fad that all the high school girls wanted because you didn't have to remember to take it everyday. Guess what? Now the Ortho Evra patch people are being sued. My point is that these drugs have not been around long enough for any of us to know all the ramifications of them.

Bottom line- I don't think it's enough to just not immunize. Use common sense with the smaller things. If you have a strong immune system you don't need the pills and shots. If you don't take the pills and shots then you have a strong immune system. And science wins again.

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Registered: 10-25-2008
In reply to: robin_3764
Sat, 12-06-2008 - 10:17am

Yet, my friends kids who are all vaccinated and go to the dr for this that and everything in between are constantly getting sick. Their immune systems cannot handle anything because they are conditioned to wait for the drugs to take over.


I do vaccinate my kids but I do not give them all kinds of drugs that they do not need. You are making HUGE generalizations here. My kids are vaccinated and they are NEVER sick. Their immune sustems CAN handle fighting off little colds etc. So to make the generalizations that vaccinated kids go to the doctor more because they are always sick is a stupid statement to make. Vaccinations DO help the immune system fight off the things they are meant for. It has been proven to be so so the fear mongering you are talking about it ridiculous as well. I work in a hospital setting and I have seen patients who end up with hossble things happening that could have been prevented by a simple vaccination.

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Registered: 03-27-2003
In reply to: robin_3764
Sat, 12-06-2008 - 1:28pm

We normally do not go to the dr for mild illnesses. If my child was not over an illness within 7-10 days or seems to be getting worse by the end of a week instead of better, I probably would go to the dr, but that is few and far between, and normally just involves my 9 yr old with one lung when I want to rule out pneumonia if he has been coughing for more than a week. For the past several years I find the only visits I have done lately are CMA visits. I would go for a broken limb, no doubt. It's just that with most illnesses, there isn't anything the dr can do other than diagnose it and charge me a fee.

I read Dr Mendelsohns book, How To Raise A Healthy Child in Spite of Your Doctor, he's a pediatrician. There are some great chapters on the over use of antibiotics and a good chapter on fevers. This book came out in 1984. He basically said that if you give antibiotics, the body won't produce it's own antibodies to that infection, hence repeat infections, like ear infections. The first ear infection my daughter had she did get antibiotics, the 2nd one she had, antibiotics were not given, and that was the last ear infection she had. After that, my daughter nor my four children born after her took antibiotics for anything.

I also stopped using fever reducers, and would only give pain medicine for pain, not for the reduction of fever. I don't use any other prescribed/over the counter medicine.

My children are now 24, 21, 13, 9 and 6. I think my 13 yr old took Tylenol once, my 9 yr old only had drugs during open heart surgery then for a few months after, then had a nebulizer for a couple years after the Hep B vax almost killed him. My 6 year old has not had any medication to date, prescribed or over the counter.

Medicine can be toxic, and there are many adverse events related to medicine just like the vaccines. I don't give them unless I feel there is a great need, and that isn't very often.

I would not withhold any medicine if my child needed it.

My younger ones do ask for a sprinkle of sodium ascorbate powder in their OJ if they're not feeling well.


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Registered: 09-09-2007
In reply to: robin_3764
Sat, 12-06-2008 - 10:34pm
I agree that part of it is the daycare policies. I worked at one for quite a while. I gotta tell ya, to those of you whose kids are in them, double check your child's symptoms. There are times when they are exaggerated to reduce class sizes. I understand the policies are in place to cover their a$$e$ but they are misused and overused.
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In reply to: robin_3764
Sat, 12-06-2008 - 10:36pm
It was a natural remedy I had heard about from a lot of people. Apple Cider Vinegar. It works. Something in it kills the germs. Honey is really good for allergies as is flax seed oil.
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In reply to: robin_3764
Sat, 12-06-2008 - 10:41pm

Vaccinations DO help the immune system fight off the things they are meant for. It has been proven to be so so the fear mongering you are talking about it ridiculous as well.

Really? Proven by whom? The fear mongering is blatant and obvious to all who don't hide their heads in the sand.
I'm not making HUGE generalizations. I clearly stated that my friends and people i know who vaccinate and run to the antibiotics have kids who are sick more often. Your kids are NEVER sick??? How old are they? NEVER? Really??? Are they bionic?

I honestly laugh at the thought that vaccines "help" the immune system that is designed to work without them.

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In reply to: robin_3764
Sat, 12-06-2008 - 10:47pm

Thanks for this post. It's wonderful to know that someone else does their homework. Why is it though that people are more likely to take something for face value if you quote a doc? If I want people in my family(for example) to not start a debate about some medical thing I say "oh, the dr said this..." and bam, no questions asked. Ahh, blind faith.

The fever stuff really gets me too. I know a woman who gives tylenol and makes dr visits each and every time her child has any type of fever at all. This is an average boy not with any diseases. I have known her to accept antibiotics for fevers as well. There are a lot of people that don't understand that a mild or "low grade" fever is the body fighting off whatever is going on. No reason and really not usually a good idea to stop it.

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Registered: 03-27-2003
In reply to: robin_3764
Sun, 12-07-2008 - 11:08am

Yes, I believe that is what Mendelsohn explains in his book wrt fevers. When you give fever reducers, you reduce the body's ability to fight the infection. I later read that when the body temperature goes up, the white blood cell count increases (the infection fighting cells) and when you reduce the body temperature, the production of the white blood cells decrease .... so in absence of great pain, I certainly would not want to interfere with that process.

Personally, the more disease fighting pac men the better ;)


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Registered: 04-09-2008
In reply to: robin_3764
Sun, 12-07-2008 - 1:23pm
Just as an FYI Robin, my husband tried apple cider vinegar via snorting from a Q-Tip for a sinus infection - it worked. In probably a 2 minute wait, he said he felt about 80% better. I am a true believer in apple cider vinegar - and actually use it myself on a daily basis for pre-maintenace.
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In reply to: robin_3764
Sun, 12-07-2008 - 2:04pm
If you're using honey for allergies, it has to be local honey, though.

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Registered: 06-24-2008
In reply to: robin_3764
Sun, 12-07-2008 - 5:01pm

if an immunized, frequent antibiotic user gets a case of the mumps their immune system thinks that it doesn't have to do anything because it already got a shot for it.


I'd just like to say that it is clear from your post that you don't understand how the immune system works from a biological point of view ... your child is just as susceptible as the next one to catching Hepatitis B, measles, mumps and rubella .. the body does not "wait" for a vaccine to kick in .. or "wait" for medications. I feel badly if your children do get one of the serious illnesses that you could have vaccinated against. Additionally -- there is a good chance they will be required to have Hep B vaccine before attending college or getting a job in a variety of fields.



Additionally -- mumps is a virus, antibiotics will do nothing against it. But your children may end up deaf if they catch it.



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