anti-all of it

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Registered: 09-09-2007
anti-all of it
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Fri, 12-05-2008 - 2:03am

I've been reading lots of posts and I know there's lots of people here who will most likely just agree with what I have to say. I'll say it for those who won't.

I agree with most that I have read from the "anti-vaccine" people. One thing I'm surprised to not be reading is thoughts on antibiotics. I've seen some of you "anti" talking about being sick but it's okay because you're taking drugs. I don't think that many provaccine people realize that the human body is genetically, on the most basic scientific level, DESIGNED to fight off invaders (i.e. germs, illness) IF left to grow the way it is designed to the immune system is made to heal the body. The problem is that we (general) introduce unnatural things into a brand new immune system unnecessarily. On top of the vaccines that are growing too numerous to count, any time there is a sniffle or blink these children are stuffed with antibiotics or otc medicines. Let's remind that immune system that it doesn't have to do a thing!! That way when the illness comes back or the germs are touched again the body won't know what to do and the antibiotics will rush in and save the day. (Oh, and the pharm companies will buy a bigger wallet)
Let me just give a personal example of prodrugs vs antidrugs.
My ds stopped getting vaccines when he was about 1. In 4 years he has been to the dr. 2 times for being sick. Both times he got so much worse than if he hadn't gone at all. I was a worried mom and wanted to alleviate his pain. Turns out he's allergic to antibiotics. The second time they gave him a different one and he ended up in the hospital. After that we gave high doses of tlc anytime he was under the weather, which has been once since that incident 2 years ago. When he was 2 he was in daycare and almost every child got pinkeye. Of course, every single parent ran for the antibiotics. I said, no thanks and used homeopathic drops and warm compresses. His cleared up overnight and stayed gone as child after child developed reoccuring cases and needed repeat antibiotics.
My ds and dd have natural immune systems that are as untainted by the pharm companies as I can get them. We don't fight a fever off with meds and stuffy noses and chest congestion are treated with humidifiers and steamy bathrooms. My children are very rarely sick and when they are it is for a very short period of time. If they were to get an illness on the vaccine list I honestly feel they would fight if off better than a vaccinated child. I welcome everyday germs and don't use antibacterial soap. My kids touch shopping carts and cookies that fell on the kitchen floor. Yet, my friends kids who are all vaccinated and go to the dr for this that and everything in between are constantly getting sick. Their immune systems cannot handle anything because they are conditioned to wait for the drugs to take over.
So, if an immunized, frequent antibiotic user gets a case of the mumps their immune system thinks that it doesn't have to do anything because it already got a shot for it. The weakened immune system allows secondary illnesses to take over and lead to complications. Complications from these illnesses are rare but in a child with a real immune system they would be even more rare.
I read a post from someone claiming that a can of tuna has more mercury that a shot. Um, who in the world do you know that is shooting tuna into their veins? I hear these arguments a lot about those chemicals being in other things that we ingest all the time. I don't think these people understand that there really is quite a difference between inGesting and inJecting.
To all you hogwash swallowers out there...just because the cdc says it doesn't mean it's true. There are so many fear mongerers in the media outlets these days that I understand why you'd think that your kid needs the flu shot or the latest vaccine or the newest antibiotic for their sneezes. I wish more people would do their own research. And remember, doctors who go against the pharm companies are not popular people. Pharmaceutical companies control a lot. and hide a lot.
I'm a stay at home mom so I get to see daytime tv commercials. I'm sure you've all seen the ads run for local lawyers. It seems that every day there is a new commercial asking if you or someone you know was harmed from some kind of drug. If so you should join the "sue em" bandwagon. When I was young I remember the birth control patch being a big fad that all the high school girls wanted because you didn't have to remember to take it everyday. Guess what? Now the Ortho Evra patch people are being sued. My point is that these drugs have not been around long enough for any of us to know all the ramifications of them.

Bottom line- I don't think it's enough to just not immunize. Use common sense with the smaller things. If you have a strong immune system you don't need the pills and shots. If you don't take the pills and shots then you have a strong immune system. And science wins again.

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Registered: 09-09-2007
In reply to: robin_3764
Sun, 12-07-2008 - 9:44pm
wow! that's so great to know! Thanks for the tip!
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Registered: 09-09-2007
In reply to: robin_3764
Sun, 12-07-2008 - 9:46pm
That's true. If you can buy honey at your local farmer's market it is great and you're shopping locally!
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Registered: 09-09-2007
In reply to: robin_3764
Sun, 12-07-2008 - 10:47pm

This wasn't posted to me but you used a piece of my post so I think it was meant to be to me.

Vaccinations inject a strain of a disease into the bloodstream. When a disease is contracted naturally it is not through the bloodstream and does not contain any of the other things that are added into vaccines. I would much rather my child contract a disease naturally than through a vaccine.
I definitely understand how the immune system biologically works. Hence, my aversion to vaccines and antibiotics. Do you even know what's in the shots your child receives? I mean what's really in them. Are you certain what the long term affects of them are? Do you completely ignore the rises in autism and alzheimers?
Please don't feel bad for my children or anyone else's who choses not to vaccinate. My children's immune systems are untainted and natural. If they do get a disease you chose to vaccinate for then they will be strong enough to fight it off.

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Fear Mongering at it's best.
Complications from diseases vaccines are meant for are rare and usually due to a secondary illness. This proves my point of what overmedicating does to an immune system. If the immune system is weak and untrained to fight off diseases on it's own then the chance of secondary illness would obviously be higher.

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Registered: 06-24-2008
In reply to: robin_3764
Mon, 12-08-2008 - 12:52am

Vaccines are injected into muscles .. not directly into the blood stream, in fact, the nurse / doctor draws back on the needle slightly before injecting to ensure that the needle isn't in a blood vessel. It's true.. there is a slightly different pathway .. virus isn't entering through the mucous membranes, etc. But the same immune cells are involved and ultimately, the process of creating immunity and immune memory is the same.

Granted, catching the virus naturally avoids all of the additives in vaccines -- although I really strongly feel that there are enough other genetic and environmental factors that I'm not so quick to blame vaccines on rises in autism or Alzheimer's disease. But we all have our opinions on that, based on our own research and job experience, however good or bad that might be.

I do feel sorry for children who aren't vaccinated, because they are being subjected to the possible serious and life-threatening complications that can result from catching the various illnesses that we try so hard to protect our children against. the very idea behind a vaccine is that the benefits outweigh the risks... and while we can't be positive about the long term effect of all vaccines -- we can be positive of the long term effects of tetanus, polio and hepatitis B .. to name a few of the more serious ones. A "natural" immune system won't necessarily protect against those illnesses .. and they are some of the most prevalent illnesses resulting in morbidity and mortality in developing countries where the vaccines aren't made available.

I'm not fear mongering, .. but if that is what you would like to call it, that is ok with me. I'm not sure how to respond to the second part of your post, because I could not make sense of it.

I will agree with you that antibiotics are over-used .. and it is widely accepted that antimicrobials lead to so-called "super bugs" ... however, I do feel there is a time and a place for antibiotic use. The problem with putting 100% of your faith in the body's natural ability to fight infection, is that man has created so many unnatural invaders .. super strains of bacteria that are resistant to most every antibiotic we've created / discovered or viruses who have the ability to mutate faster than we can figure them out .. I don't think anyone would argue with me that vaccinated or not .. no person's immune system will fight off HIV .. and I doubt that if we were to have a smallpox outbreak an unvaccinated person would have an easier time surviving, let alone without long term complications.

JMO!



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Registered: 04-09-2008
In reply to: robin_3764
Mon, 12-08-2008 - 7:37am
I'm not for sure what you are talking about - it appears you are directing your comments to the wrong individual, however, if I am mistaken, can you please clarify what you are talking about, please?
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Registered: 04-09-2008
In reply to: robin_3764
Mon, 12-08-2008 - 7:39am

I forgot to mention, this tip came from a homeopath - in addition to snorting it - he was told to swab his ears first with it. So, 2 q-tips, one side on a q-tip for one ear then the other side for the nostril, then the opposite side with the other Q-tip.


I've only seen it done once (hubby) but he did swear by it.

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Registered: 10-18-2007
In reply to: robin_3764
Mon, 12-08-2008 - 10:18am

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The biochemical cascade of events is entirely different.

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Registered: 12-14-2005
In reply to: robin_3764
Mon, 12-08-2008 - 1:18pm

We use common sense with the smaller things also. We don't treat a fever unless she is so feverish she stops drinking fluids. We don't use OTC cough and cold medicines either. We avoid antibiotics. We don't use antibacterial soap, etc.

Plenty of us think along the same lines as you. ;)






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Registered: 12-14-2005
In reply to: robin_3764
Mon, 12-08-2008 - 1:27pm

"My kids are not in daycare but still fell victim to the stomach bug that went around our area a few months ago. I kept them hydrated and they got through it in a few days. A friend that works at a daycare said kids were leaving for dr appts left and right."

Most daycares have a policy of the child having to be seen by a Doctor before returning to the centre. Our centre has this policy but it's not for every illness just some of them.

Sleeping in cold wet woolen soaks is great for stopping a nighttime cough.






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Registered: 12-14-2005
In reply to: robin_3764
Mon, 12-08-2008 - 1:37pm

"your child is just as susceptible as the next one to catching Hepatitis B"

Really? One does not "catch" Hep B (like one catches the flu).

Hepatitis B is a blood-borne illness - you can't catch it like the flu. It's sexually transmitted disease, contracted from improper use of needles, exposure to infected blood, etc.

There is plenty one can do naturally reduce their susceptibility (so they are NOT as susceptible as the rest of the population) to Hep B. Not do IV drugs, practice safe sex, wear gloves when exposed to blood, etc.






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