anti-all of it

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anti-all of it
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Fri, 12-05-2008 - 2:03am

I've been reading lots of posts and I know there's lots of people here who will most likely just agree with what I have to say. I'll say it for those who won't.

I agree with most that I have read from the "anti-vaccine" people. One thing I'm surprised to not be reading is thoughts on antibiotics. I've seen some of you "anti" talking about being sick but it's okay because you're taking drugs. I don't think that many provaccine people realize that the human body is genetically, on the most basic scientific level, DESIGNED to fight off invaders (i.e. germs, illness) IF left to grow the way it is designed to the immune system is made to heal the body. The problem is that we (general) introduce unnatural things into a brand new immune system unnecessarily. On top of the vaccines that are growing too numerous to count, any time there is a sniffle or blink these children are stuffed with antibiotics or otc medicines. Let's remind that immune system that it doesn't have to do a thing!! That way when the illness comes back or the germs are touched again the body won't know what to do and the antibiotics will rush in and save the day. (Oh, and the pharm companies will buy a bigger wallet)
Let me just give a personal example of prodrugs vs antidrugs.
My ds stopped getting vaccines when he was about 1. In 4 years he has been to the dr. 2 times for being sick. Both times he got so much worse than if he hadn't gone at all. I was a worried mom and wanted to alleviate his pain. Turns out he's allergic to antibiotics. The second time they gave him a different one and he ended up in the hospital. After that we gave high doses of tlc anytime he was under the weather, which has been once since that incident 2 years ago. When he was 2 he was in daycare and almost every child got pinkeye. Of course, every single parent ran for the antibiotics. I said, no thanks and used homeopathic drops and warm compresses. His cleared up overnight and stayed gone as child after child developed reoccuring cases and needed repeat antibiotics.
My ds and dd have natural immune systems that are as untainted by the pharm companies as I can get them. We don't fight a fever off with meds and stuffy noses and chest congestion are treated with humidifiers and steamy bathrooms. My children are very rarely sick and when they are it is for a very short period of time. If they were to get an illness on the vaccine list I honestly feel they would fight if off better than a vaccinated child. I welcome everyday germs and don't use antibacterial soap. My kids touch shopping carts and cookies that fell on the kitchen floor. Yet, my friends kids who are all vaccinated and go to the dr for this that and everything in between are constantly getting sick. Their immune systems cannot handle anything because they are conditioned to wait for the drugs to take over.
So, if an immunized, frequent antibiotic user gets a case of the mumps their immune system thinks that it doesn't have to do anything because it already got a shot for it. The weakened immune system allows secondary illnesses to take over and lead to complications. Complications from these illnesses are rare but in a child with a real immune system they would be even more rare.
I read a post from someone claiming that a can of tuna has more mercury that a shot. Um, who in the world do you know that is shooting tuna into their veins? I hear these arguments a lot about those chemicals being in other things that we ingest all the time. I don't think these people understand that there really is quite a difference between inGesting and inJecting.
To all you hogwash swallowers out there...just because the cdc says it doesn't mean it's true. There are so many fear mongerers in the media outlets these days that I understand why you'd think that your kid needs the flu shot or the latest vaccine or the newest antibiotic for their sneezes. I wish more people would do their own research. And remember, doctors who go against the pharm companies are not popular people. Pharmaceutical companies control a lot. and hide a lot.
I'm a stay at home mom so I get to see daytime tv commercials. I'm sure you've all seen the ads run for local lawyers. It seems that every day there is a new commercial asking if you or someone you know was harmed from some kind of drug. If so you should join the "sue em" bandwagon. When I was young I remember the birth control patch being a big fad that all the high school girls wanted because you didn't have to remember to take it everyday. Guess what? Now the Ortho Evra patch people are being sued. My point is that these drugs have not been around long enough for any of us to know all the ramifications of them.

Bottom line- I don't think it's enough to just not immunize. Use common sense with the smaller things. If you have a strong immune system you don't need the pills and shots. If you don't take the pills and shots then you have a strong immune system. And science wins again.

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Registered: 04-09-2008
In reply to: robin_3764
Mon, 12-08-2008 - 2:07pm

This is probably one of the best lay-mans' writings from Dr. Blaylock (neurosurgeon) that

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Registered: 06-05-2008
In reply to: robin_3764
Mon, 12-08-2008 - 5:54pm

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Just wanted to say - perhaps this is how it should theoretically be done. Maybe even how it's done most of the time. But you cannot guarantee me that it is done 100 percent of the time. a) Some people who give the shots aren't that competent I would guess. This is in no way meant as a slam, though admittedly sounds like one. I recall having blood drawn by a nurse once. She did something on the way out with that needle and I was in pain and couldn't straighten my arm for 3 days. I talked to the manager and he was surprised because that nurse was so experienced. Needless to say, I never let HER touch me again, and to this day I'm a bit cautious about who draws my blood. b) The blood vessels for a tiny baby are so small. How in the world can they be so sure they aren't directly hitting a blood vessel?

I don't trust that a vaccine that is not supposed to hit the bloodstream NEVER hits the bloodstream on anyone. And if it does, then what? Some of the package inserts (maybe all - haven't read ALL of them) state not to get it into the blood vessel.

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In reply to: robin_3764
Tue, 12-09-2008 - 12:21am




Edited 12/9/2008 12:39 am ET by milacelcia


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Registered: 09-09-2007
In reply to: robin_3764
Tue, 12-09-2008 - 12:46am
cold wet woolen soaks? what's that?
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Registered: 09-13-2008
In reply to: robin_3764
Tue, 12-09-2008 - 8:43am

Do you feel badly that after a round of vaccines at 15 months of age my son, Ryland, had a grand mal seizure, fever of over 105, and regressed into autism after being a completely normal, happy, baby?

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Registered: 06-24-2008
In reply to: robin_3764
Tue, 12-09-2008 - 10:25am
I can gurantee you could care less.



I don't appreciate your judgment of my character or your assumption with regard to my level of compassion. Your hostility is not appreciated .. you could state the situation without making snide remarks. I will say again, I'm really shocked and disappointed at the hostility among this group of women. It's one thing to have a debate and make your point, but the sarcasm and hostility could be left on the side.



I am sorry that your son had the reaction he had to his vaccines and that your lives have been changed so completely, forever. It does not, however, change my opinion that vaccines are a valuable protection in our society and without them many more children and adults would be at risk of death or serious handicaps, which is why my children will be vaccinated on a different vaccine schedule -- spaced out over a longer period of time .. but vaccinated, nonetheless.



Again .. please save the anger and hostility, it doesn't help anyone.






























Edited 12/9/2008 10:27 am ET by milacelcia


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Registered: 04-09-2008
In reply to: robin_3764
Tue, 12-09-2008 - 10:35am

IMPO, I don't think anyone on here could really care less what you or anyone else does as it relates to vaccinations.

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Registered: 12-14-2005
In reply to: robin_3764
Tue, 12-09-2008 - 10:42am

Wool soaks, soak in cold water, sleep with them on - put a dry pair on top to keep the bed from getting wet.

Works wonders for a nighttime cough :)






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Registered: 12-14-2005
In reply to: robin_3764
Tue, 12-09-2008 - 10:51am

Hi Melissa,

I happen to carry Hep B, it's a very touchy for subject for me. I was born in a third world country and it was passed to me at birth from my mother which is a very common mode of transmission. Unfortunately, unlike everyone else in my family I never developed immunity.

So alas when my daughter was born we followed Public Health guidelines and had her vaccinated from birth (in Canada routine Hep B vaccination is at age 12, not birth). She went through the three round series of shots and experienced primary vaccine failure. She then went through another series of shots from a different hep b vaccine manufacturer and again primacy vaccine failure, further she is not infected either from birth. Totally normal.

That being said, she also had adverse events in the form of seizures to her Hep B vaccinations and our Doctor recommended stopping vaccinations all together, wrote to public health for us and we began to do our own research. I wish I knew then, what I do now.

I think you'll find people feel very strongly on both sides of debate - particularly anyone whose child has experienced an adverse event or been vaccine-damaged.









Edited 12/9/2008 10:52 am ET by cl-tashlb
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Registered: 10-18-2007
In reply to: robin_3764
Tue, 12-09-2008 - 11:43am

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Maybe my skin is just really thick, but I don't see this.

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