anti-all of it

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anti-all of it
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Fri, 12-05-2008 - 2:03am

I've been reading lots of posts and I know there's lots of people here who will most likely just agree with what I have to say. I'll say it for those who won't.

I agree with most that I have read from the "anti-vaccine" people. One thing I'm surprised to not be reading is thoughts on antibiotics. I've seen some of you "anti" talking about being sick but it's okay because you're taking drugs. I don't think that many provaccine people realize that the human body is genetically, on the most basic scientific level, DESIGNED to fight off invaders (i.e. germs, illness) IF left to grow the way it is designed to the immune system is made to heal the body. The problem is that we (general) introduce unnatural things into a brand new immune system unnecessarily. On top of the vaccines that are growing too numerous to count, any time there is a sniffle or blink these children are stuffed with antibiotics or otc medicines. Let's remind that immune system that it doesn't have to do a thing!! That way when the illness comes back or the germs are touched again the body won't know what to do and the antibiotics will rush in and save the day. (Oh, and the pharm companies will buy a bigger wallet)
Let me just give a personal example of prodrugs vs antidrugs.
My ds stopped getting vaccines when he was about 1. In 4 years he has been to the dr. 2 times for being sick. Both times he got so much worse than if he hadn't gone at all. I was a worried mom and wanted to alleviate his pain. Turns out he's allergic to antibiotics. The second time they gave him a different one and he ended up in the hospital. After that we gave high doses of tlc anytime he was under the weather, which has been once since that incident 2 years ago. When he was 2 he was in daycare and almost every child got pinkeye. Of course, every single parent ran for the antibiotics. I said, no thanks and used homeopathic drops and warm compresses. His cleared up overnight and stayed gone as child after child developed reoccuring cases and needed repeat antibiotics.
My ds and dd have natural immune systems that are as untainted by the pharm companies as I can get them. We don't fight a fever off with meds and stuffy noses and chest congestion are treated with humidifiers and steamy bathrooms. My children are very rarely sick and when they are it is for a very short period of time. If they were to get an illness on the vaccine list I honestly feel they would fight if off better than a vaccinated child. I welcome everyday germs and don't use antibacterial soap. My kids touch shopping carts and cookies that fell on the kitchen floor. Yet, my friends kids who are all vaccinated and go to the dr for this that and everything in between are constantly getting sick. Their immune systems cannot handle anything because they are conditioned to wait for the drugs to take over.
So, if an immunized, frequent antibiotic user gets a case of the mumps their immune system thinks that it doesn't have to do anything because it already got a shot for it. The weakened immune system allows secondary illnesses to take over and lead to complications. Complications from these illnesses are rare but in a child with a real immune system they would be even more rare.
I read a post from someone claiming that a can of tuna has more mercury that a shot. Um, who in the world do you know that is shooting tuna into their veins? I hear these arguments a lot about those chemicals being in other things that we ingest all the time. I don't think these people understand that there really is quite a difference between inGesting and inJecting.
To all you hogwash swallowers out there...just because the cdc says it doesn't mean it's true. There are so many fear mongerers in the media outlets these days that I understand why you'd think that your kid needs the flu shot or the latest vaccine or the newest antibiotic for their sneezes. I wish more people would do their own research. And remember, doctors who go against the pharm companies are not popular people. Pharmaceutical companies control a lot. and hide a lot.
I'm a stay at home mom so I get to see daytime tv commercials. I'm sure you've all seen the ads run for local lawyers. It seems that every day there is a new commercial asking if you or someone you know was harmed from some kind of drug. If so you should join the "sue em" bandwagon. When I was young I remember the birth control patch being a big fad that all the high school girls wanted because you didn't have to remember to take it everyday. Guess what? Now the Ortho Evra patch people are being sued. My point is that these drugs have not been around long enough for any of us to know all the ramifications of them.

Bottom line- I don't think it's enough to just not immunize. Use common sense with the smaller things. If you have a strong immune system you don't need the pills and shots. If you don't take the pills and shots then you have a strong immune system. And science wins again.

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Registered: 10-18-2007
In reply to: robin_3764
Mon, 12-15-2008 - 10:29am

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Injecting the antigen, among other stuff, damages the cells in an entirely different fashion than does natural exposure.

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In reply to: robin_3764
Wed, 12-17-2008 - 10:02am

{{{other than I just can't wrap my head around how not vaccinating at all is better than vaccinating with caution and awareness of the side effects and possible adverse reactions.}}}}

No vaccines = guarantee no side effects or adverse reactions.

In today's society with cleaner, less crowded living conditions, your child is more likely to suffer an adverse vaccine event than a complication via the disease the vaccine is intended to prevent.


If you're questioning vaccines or not vaccinating at all, stop by the Non-Vaccine Support Board that I proudly host: http://messageboards.ivillage.com/iv-ppnonvaccine


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that which can be explained by greed and incompetence”


But never assume that the greedy and incompetent,


-- through stupidity or willful ignorance --


are not unknowingly part of a deeper conspiracy.

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Registered: 06-24-2008
In reply to: robin_3764
Wed, 12-17-2008 - 10:50am
In today's society with cleaner, less crowded living conditions, your child is more likely to suffer an adverse vaccine event than a complication via the disease the vaccine is intended to prevent."



Fact or opinion? ... Just curious of the source .. because I would be of the opinion we are living in a far more crowded world now than in decades / centuries past .. and while our sanitation has improved (in the USA, not all places in the world though), our environmental pollutants and contaminants have definitely increased. We don't know the percentage of people who have a ADE as the result of a vaccine -- but we do have pretty good stats on morbidity and mortality related to the things we vaccinate against. JMO.


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Registered: 03-27-2003
In reply to: robin_3764
Wed, 12-17-2008 - 11:50am

My source states that currently, one is more likely to suffer an adverse reaction vs the DISEASE, so imagine if that is the case, then the risk of suffering a COMPLICATION from the disease would be even smaller!

Source: CDC


If you're questioning vaccines or not vaccinating at all, stop by the Non-Vaccine Support Board that I proudly host: http://messageboards.ivillage.com/iv-ppnonvaccine


“Never attribute to conspiracy


that which can be explained by greed and incompetence”


But never assume that the greedy and incompetent,


-- through stupidity or willful ignorance --


are not unknowingly part of a deeper conspiracy.

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In reply to: robin_3764
Sat, 12-20-2008 - 11:48pm

This is interesting,


It does not, however, change my opinion that vaccines are a valuable protection in our society and without them many more children and adults would be at risk of death or serious handicaps, which is why my children will be vaccinated on a different vaccine schedule -- spaced out over a longer period of time ..


I find it interesting that you believe the experts, to a point, then appear to not trust their "expertise" as you do not follow the recommended vaccine schedule.

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Registered: 06-24-2008
In reply to: robin_3764
Sun, 12-21-2008 - 2:45pm
My pediatrician is very much in agreement with me about vaccinating with only 1 injection at a time .. not combining multiple injections -- more because of the strain it puts on the immune system, and for "comfort measures" than because I don't believe the vaccine will work or will kill / permanently harm my child. My pets also receive only 1 injection at a time .. because they also feel a little "under the weather" for a day or so afterwards.


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Registered: 12-21-2008
In reply to: robin_3764
Sun, 12-21-2008 - 10:26pm

Wow i cant beleive someone else thinks like me and has noticed that people who are very pro vaccine arent really educated about the subject they just sound like a walking government flyer cause thats all they know. I have three very healthy unvaccinated children who are rarely sick usually their only symptom is a fever lasting 24-72 hours. I am confident that if one of my children contracted a vaccine preventable illness that they would come through it without complication because they have a superior unbattered immune system. When I see the reasons that pro vaxers think are the reasons why I do not vaccinate I am just in awe of their misinformation and understanding of the issue. It is the responsibility of every parent to research this issue for yourself and make your own decisions. It's not all about autism. Don't take everything at face value. Read the scientific studies for yourselves, not just the bits and pieces quoted in dumbed down vaccine flyers.


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Registered: 09-09-2007
In reply to: robin_3764
Sun, 12-21-2008 - 10:55pm

Yes, while anti-vaxers are either growing in numbers or getting louder voices, I rarely find others that feel the way I do about medications and pretty much the entire hoax that the physicians and pharm companies have going.

My dd is 16 months. She has outdoor allergy issues. She's had about 4 flare ups in the last 10 months or so. Every time she gets a clear runny nose, then a dry cough, then the cough gets a little more productive, low grade fever, green nose, and it starts to clear up. The first time this process took about 2 weeks. We used tlc, vapor rub, and a vaporizer in her room. The second time it took about a week and a half. Most recently she started her symptoms and was completely through them in 3 days. I truly believe that by leaving her immune system to learn and heal itself we are saving her from future sickness and should she come down with an immunizable disease she would be better equipped to fight it off than someone who had been vaccinated.

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Registered: 03-27-2003
In reply to: robin_3764
Sun, 01-04-2009 - 10:17am

Just wanted to mention,


if the drug companies' goal were to get everyone healthy, they would put themselves out of business.


A co-worker (in a field unrelated to medico) was reading a business book he had for a finance class he was taking, imagine my surprise when he read the following excerpt from the book,


"Mercks long term goal is to get people on chronic medication".


So I feel truly sorry for anyone who thinks that these drug companies are looking out for their best interests, and very sorry for their children who are the guinea pigs of these modern day monsters.


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Registered: 09-09-2007
In reply to: robin_3764
Sun, 01-04-2009 - 12:46pm

ITA!

If the dr told you that eating right, exercising, and getting good sleep and sunshine would clear up your "chronic problem" then he couldn't make you a repeat customer by getting your immune system hooked on antibiotics!

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