anti-all of it

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Registered: 09-09-2007
anti-all of it
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Fri, 12-05-2008 - 2:03am

I've been reading lots of posts and I know there's lots of people here who will most likely just agree with what I have to say. I'll say it for those who won't.

I agree with most that I have read from the "anti-vaccine" people. One thing I'm surprised to not be reading is thoughts on antibiotics. I've seen some of you "anti" talking about being sick but it's okay because you're taking drugs. I don't think that many provaccine people realize that the human body is genetically, on the most basic scientific level, DESIGNED to fight off invaders (i.e. germs, illness) IF left to grow the way it is designed to the immune system is made to heal the body. The problem is that we (general) introduce unnatural things into a brand new immune system unnecessarily. On top of the vaccines that are growing too numerous to count, any time there is a sniffle or blink these children are stuffed with antibiotics or otc medicines. Let's remind that immune system that it doesn't have to do a thing!! That way when the illness comes back or the germs are touched again the body won't know what to do and the antibiotics will rush in and save the day. (Oh, and the pharm companies will buy a bigger wallet)
Let me just give a personal example of prodrugs vs antidrugs.
My ds stopped getting vaccines when he was about 1. In 4 years he has been to the dr. 2 times for being sick. Both times he got so much worse than if he hadn't gone at all. I was a worried mom and wanted to alleviate his pain. Turns out he's allergic to antibiotics. The second time they gave him a different one and he ended up in the hospital. After that we gave high doses of tlc anytime he was under the weather, which has been once since that incident 2 years ago. When he was 2 he was in daycare and almost every child got pinkeye. Of course, every single parent ran for the antibiotics. I said, no thanks and used homeopathic drops and warm compresses. His cleared up overnight and stayed gone as child after child developed reoccuring cases and needed repeat antibiotics.
My ds and dd have natural immune systems that are as untainted by the pharm companies as I can get them. We don't fight a fever off with meds and stuffy noses and chest congestion are treated with humidifiers and steamy bathrooms. My children are very rarely sick and when they are it is for a very short period of time. If they were to get an illness on the vaccine list I honestly feel they would fight if off better than a vaccinated child. I welcome everyday germs and don't use antibacterial soap. My kids touch shopping carts and cookies that fell on the kitchen floor. Yet, my friends kids who are all vaccinated and go to the dr for this that and everything in between are constantly getting sick. Their immune systems cannot handle anything because they are conditioned to wait for the drugs to take over.
So, if an immunized, frequent antibiotic user gets a case of the mumps their immune system thinks that it doesn't have to do anything because it already got a shot for it. The weakened immune system allows secondary illnesses to take over and lead to complications. Complications from these illnesses are rare but in a child with a real immune system they would be even more rare.
I read a post from someone claiming that a can of tuna has more mercury that a shot. Um, who in the world do you know that is shooting tuna into their veins? I hear these arguments a lot about those chemicals being in other things that we ingest all the time. I don't think these people understand that there really is quite a difference between inGesting and inJecting.
To all you hogwash swallowers out there...just because the cdc says it doesn't mean it's true. There are so many fear mongerers in the media outlets these days that I understand why you'd think that your kid needs the flu shot or the latest vaccine or the newest antibiotic for their sneezes. I wish more people would do their own research. And remember, doctors who go against the pharm companies are not popular people. Pharmaceutical companies control a lot. and hide a lot.
I'm a stay at home mom so I get to see daytime tv commercials. I'm sure you've all seen the ads run for local lawyers. It seems that every day there is a new commercial asking if you or someone you know was harmed from some kind of drug. If so you should join the "sue em" bandwagon. When I was young I remember the birth control patch being a big fad that all the high school girls wanted because you didn't have to remember to take it everyday. Guess what? Now the Ortho Evra patch people are being sued. My point is that these drugs have not been around long enough for any of us to know all the ramifications of them.

Bottom line- I don't think it's enough to just not immunize. Use common sense with the smaller things. If you have a strong immune system you don't need the pills and shots. If you don't take the pills and shots then you have a strong immune system. And science wins again.

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Registered: 01-02-2009
In reply to: robin_3764
Sun, 01-04-2009 - 4:45pm

However, employers and insurance companies would like to reduce prescription drug use. They can't say, outright, "your doctor is a patsy for the pharmaceutical companies" but they will include advice about diet and exercise, etc. It all comes across as sort of wimpy, though.

Methinks someone has a stranglehold on the topic of health.

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Registered: 06-24-2008
In reply to: robin_3764
Sun, 01-04-2009 - 5:00pm

...although not all "chronic problems" can be cured with eating right, exercising, and getting good sleep and sunshine .. many actually do require long-term medication .. using antibiotics isn't like feeding an addiction, the body does not depend on them -- but it can be helped by them.

eating right, exercising and getting good sleep and sunshine won't help your body to rid itself of the bacteria causing tetanus, should you become infected .. granted, tetanus is a pretty acute problem ...



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Registered: 09-09-2007
In reply to: robin_3764
Sun, 01-04-2009 - 6:47pm

The immune system is designed to naturally fight off illness. If you continuously tell the immune system, "that's okay, this pill will do your job" then the immune system "needs" the pills.

I am not saying that there is never an instance for medical intervention. I know I've been clear on that point in several posts. I love though that every time I question doping up for every sniffle, there you are to point out how necessary it is.

Getting some sunshine may not "cure" an illness but with eating right, exercise, sleeping well and being overall a healthy person who is, in addition to those things, NOT compromising their immune system with unnecessary vaccines and drugs, then you would be less succeptible to the diseases in the first place and fight off minor illnesses with much more ease than someone whose immune system has been compromised.

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Registered: 01-02-2009
In reply to: robin_3764
Sun, 01-04-2009 - 6:55pm

It is an essential part of the infectious disease dogma, that serious complications occur on a completely random basis and can hit the "perfectly healthy" child just as easily as the chronically ill child. But is this true? Does it make sense?

In my experience, the most important thing to learn about normal childhood illnesses is how to treat them. Just about everything you'll be told nowadays is wrong. I actually saw an item recommending fever reducers for measles! Good heavens. And they are even more dangerous with chickenpox, but still, doctors will tell parents it is okay to suppress fever in these cases.

Since vaccines aren't 100%, every parent should know the symptoms and the appropriate treatments for all normal childhood illnesses, just in case. It will add to your peace of mind, so why not?

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Registered: 07-03-2006
In reply to: robin_3764
Sun, 01-04-2009 - 8:25pm

Although I hate to just relay anecdotes, my completely "compromised" (i.e. fully vaccinated) kids miss on average 0-1 day of school each year due to illness.

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Registered: 01-02-2009
In reply to: robin_3764
Sun, 01-04-2009 - 9:17pm

Thank you. That is conclusive proof of the safety of the current vaccine schedule for everyone.

Sorry, I slid into sarcasm there for a moment.

Yes, I know there are babies and children who can survive the current vaccine schedule without becoming chronically ill.

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Registered: 07-03-2006
In reply to: robin_3764
Sun, 01-04-2009 - 10:11pm

**Thank you. That is conclusive proof of the safety of the current vaccine schedule for everyone.**


I recognize the sarcasm and that was

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Registered: 01-02-2009
In reply to: robin_3764
Sun, 01-04-2009 - 10:29pm

Okay. Let's go with the actual facts. Vaccines are never tested on any children with any health problems whatsoever. Therefore there is no evidence of safety for any baby who is even slightly ill. There is no evidence of safety for any baby or child with any serious health problems whatsoever. And yet...the list of contraindications for vaccines is very narrow and is sometimes ignored by doctors. I've heard from mothers whose babies were vaccinated when they were ill. Of preemies being vaccinated before they left the hospital.

Furthermore, vaccines safety is tested by comparing one set of vaccines to another set of vaccines. Any vaccine which has been out for a while can be used for comparison. What this means is that there is no normal background rate of problems to compare. All of the children in all of the arms of all of the studies are being vaccinated.

Do you see the problem?

Do you know of any parents who were told not to vaccinate their babies because of contraindications?

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Registered: 10-18-2007
In reply to: robin_3764
Sun, 01-04-2009 - 10:39pm

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Tetanus?

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Registered: 07-03-2006
In reply to: robin_3764
Sun, 01-04-2009 - 10:47pm

I believe my sister delayed immunizations for her 2 kiddos that were born prematurely and maybe for her other son who was not premature, but had significant health issues in his first year.

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