anti-all of it

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Registered: 09-09-2007
anti-all of it
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Fri, 12-05-2008 - 2:03am

I've been reading lots of posts and I know there's lots of people here who will most likely just agree with what I have to say. I'll say it for those who won't.

I agree with most that I have read from the "anti-vaccine" people. One thing I'm surprised to not be reading is thoughts on antibiotics. I've seen some of you "anti" talking about being sick but it's okay because you're taking drugs. I don't think that many provaccine people realize that the human body is genetically, on the most basic scientific level, DESIGNED to fight off invaders (i.e. germs, illness) IF left to grow the way it is designed to the immune system is made to heal the body. The problem is that we (general) introduce unnatural things into a brand new immune system unnecessarily. On top of the vaccines that are growing too numerous to count, any time there is a sniffle or blink these children are stuffed with antibiotics or otc medicines. Let's remind that immune system that it doesn't have to do a thing!! That way when the illness comes back or the germs are touched again the body won't know what to do and the antibiotics will rush in and save the day. (Oh, and the pharm companies will buy a bigger wallet)
Let me just give a personal example of prodrugs vs antidrugs.
My ds stopped getting vaccines when he was about 1. In 4 years he has been to the dr. 2 times for being sick. Both times he got so much worse than if he hadn't gone at all. I was a worried mom and wanted to alleviate his pain. Turns out he's allergic to antibiotics. The second time they gave him a different one and he ended up in the hospital. After that we gave high doses of tlc anytime he was under the weather, which has been once since that incident 2 years ago. When he was 2 he was in daycare and almost every child got pinkeye. Of course, every single parent ran for the antibiotics. I said, no thanks and used homeopathic drops and warm compresses. His cleared up overnight and stayed gone as child after child developed reoccuring cases and needed repeat antibiotics.
My ds and dd have natural immune systems that are as untainted by the pharm companies as I can get them. We don't fight a fever off with meds and stuffy noses and chest congestion are treated with humidifiers and steamy bathrooms. My children are very rarely sick and when they are it is for a very short period of time. If they were to get an illness on the vaccine list I honestly feel they would fight if off better than a vaccinated child. I welcome everyday germs and don't use antibacterial soap. My kids touch shopping carts and cookies that fell on the kitchen floor. Yet, my friends kids who are all vaccinated and go to the dr for this that and everything in between are constantly getting sick. Their immune systems cannot handle anything because they are conditioned to wait for the drugs to take over.
So, if an immunized, frequent antibiotic user gets a case of the mumps their immune system thinks that it doesn't have to do anything because it already got a shot for it. The weakened immune system allows secondary illnesses to take over and lead to complications. Complications from these illnesses are rare but in a child with a real immune system they would be even more rare.
I read a post from someone claiming that a can of tuna has more mercury that a shot. Um, who in the world do you know that is shooting tuna into their veins? I hear these arguments a lot about those chemicals being in other things that we ingest all the time. I don't think these people understand that there really is quite a difference between inGesting and inJecting.
To all you hogwash swallowers out there...just because the cdc says it doesn't mean it's true. There are so many fear mongerers in the media outlets these days that I understand why you'd think that your kid needs the flu shot or the latest vaccine or the newest antibiotic for their sneezes. I wish more people would do their own research. And remember, doctors who go against the pharm companies are not popular people. Pharmaceutical companies control a lot. and hide a lot.
I'm a stay at home mom so I get to see daytime tv commercials. I'm sure you've all seen the ads run for local lawyers. It seems that every day there is a new commercial asking if you or someone you know was harmed from some kind of drug. If so you should join the "sue em" bandwagon. When I was young I remember the birth control patch being a big fad that all the high school girls wanted because you didn't have to remember to take it everyday. Guess what? Now the Ortho Evra patch people are being sued. My point is that these drugs have not been around long enough for any of us to know all the ramifications of them.

Bottom line- I don't think it's enough to just not immunize. Use common sense with the smaller things. If you have a strong immune system you don't need the pills and shots. If you don't take the pills and shots then you have a strong immune system. And science wins again.

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Registered: 01-02-2009
In reply to: robin_3764
Tue, 01-06-2009 - 8:51pm

"For everyone, any food or drug is an experiment the first time you eat/use them."
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Interesting statement. So when a parent obediently brings in their baby at 2 months of age to receive 7 or 8 vaccines at once, wouldn't it be nice if they knew that they were doing a pretty massive experiment on their tiny little babe? When I started introducing solid foods to my daughter (at six months) I gave her one food at a time and waited several days to see if she reacted.

But I'm guessing you are trying to say that the safety testing is okay, even though there is no data on any infants with any sort of health problems whatsoever, because allergies are unpredictable and no other sort of vaccine problem is possible. Please correct me if you meant something else.

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Registered: 07-03-2006
In reply to: robin_3764
Tue, 01-06-2009 - 9:24pm

Yes, I am saying that I believe the safety testing is thorough as is.

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Registered: 01-02-2009
In reply to: robin_3764
Tue, 01-06-2009 - 9:50pm

I'm in my late 50s. My family has been mostly non-vaxing since maybe 1910 or so. A long-running experiment. I didn't give my daughter any vaccines until she was 7 or 8 years old. After she had two or three her health deteriorated (maybe a coincidence) but it wasn't a very convincing result to have a perfectly healthy child turn into one who was sick all the time.

My two grandchildren are minimally vaccinated. Fairly healthy.

The problem I see with the vaccine testing is the assumption that they can test them on healthy children and then give them to sick children. Huh? And tell the parents of children who are ill that it is okay and the vaccines are safe for their kids, which is based on zero data. This might be okay (not right or decent) if there was a proper system for tracking vaccine reactions. Then there would eventually be data that would show, for example, that giving vaccines within two months of antibiotics caused problems in, say, 15% of children. But there isn't a tracking system and problems which may result from giving vaccines to children who are ill or have chronic health problems aren't spotted. Which is useful for denying problems.

My daughter feels pretty confident that she can get her children through the vaccine tagged diseases. She doesn't feel hugely confident that she could get them through a vaccine reaction.

A friend of mine had a grandson who reacted to a vaccine. He had what the doctors thought was a stroke! But it followed pretty close after a vaccine and toddlers don't usually have strokes and the symptoms actually corresponded to some stuff described in the vaccine insert, so it probably was an adverse effect. So this sweet little kid will be walking funny for the rest of his life. If he is lucky that will be the only long-term consequence. This particular family has become anti-vaccine.

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Registered: 07-03-2006
In reply to: robin_3764
Wed, 01-07-2009 - 7:01am

**You say your dh is sick a lot. What does he do when he's sick? Take anything for it? If he's around "germy kids" does he use antibacterial soap alot? Are your kids in school? daycare? I can't imagine that your dh would be exposed to more germs than your kids unless they are kept locked in the house all the time. Even then, aren't they exposed to your dh's germs? Just wondering why the blame on his job for his sicknesses.**


No, I said he is the sickest around our house, but not a lot, just more than the rest of us.

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Registered: 09-09-2007
In reply to: robin_3764
Wed, 01-07-2009 - 11:45am

I know it's a pain and most people don't have the time or patience to heal naturally but I firmly believe that even otc meds interfere with the healing process and thus make it harder for the body to heal the next time. (especially if you're taking something for a fever) Like I said, I know that in today's society people are just too busy, can't take time off work or school to heal and that's probably the primary reason for doping up to keep going. I just think it's counterproductive the immune system, especially when in addition to vaccines and antibiotic usage.

I also believe that antibacterial soaps are unnecessary and kill the good bacteria as well.(something that's also helpful for a good immune system) Normal soap and water will do the job.

I think it's interesting that his parent's are older and so healthy. If they are that old, I doubt they were highly (if at all) vaccinated.

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Registered: 08-20-2007
In reply to: robin_3764
Wed, 01-07-2009 - 5:32pm

Getting some sunshine may not "cure" an illness but with eating right, exercise, sleeping well and being overall a healthy person who is, in addition to those things, NOT compromising their immune system with unnecessary vaccines and drugs, then you would be less succeptible to the diseases in the first place and fight off minor illnesses with much more ease than someone whose immune system has been compromised.


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Registered: 08-20-2007
In reply to: robin_3764
Wed, 01-07-2009 - 5:38pm

Okay. Let's go with the actual facts. Vaccines are never tested on any children with any health problems whatsoever. Therefore there is no evidence of safety for any baby who is even slightly ill. There is no evidence of safety for any baby or child with any serious health problems whatsoever. And yet...the list of contraindications for vaccines is very narrow and is sometimes ignored by doctors. I've heard from mothers whose babies were vaccinated when they were ill. Of preemies being vaccinated before they left the hospital.


You are not ment to take your child to get it's shots even if it has a slight runny nose.

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Registered: 08-20-2007
In reply to: robin_3764
Wed, 01-07-2009 - 5:51pm

I think it's interesting that his parent's are older and so healthy. If they are that old, I doubt they were highly (if at all) vaccinated.


That is the biggest load of ppffff i have heard all day. I know plenty of old people (who have seen to 100 +) and have been so healthy and WERE VACCINATED.

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Registered: 01-02-2009
In reply to: robin_3764
Wed, 01-07-2009 - 8:08pm

mummyto2babes wrote: "You are not ment to take your child to get it's shots even if it has a slight runny nose."

Alas, the Centers for Disease Control don't understand this. On their page on contraindications to vaccination you can read this: "Mild acute illness with or without fever." The heading on the column reads: "Untrue (vaccines can be administered)".

Here is the link. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/vac-admin/contraindications-vacc.htm The CDC is pretty comfortable with vaccinating sick children.

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In reply to: robin_3764
Wed, 01-07-2009 - 11:27pm

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