anti-all of it

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anti-all of it
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Fri, 12-05-2008 - 2:03am

I've been reading lots of posts and I know there's lots of people here who will most likely just agree with what I have to say. I'll say it for those who won't.

I agree with most that I have read from the "anti-vaccine" people. One thing I'm surprised to not be reading is thoughts on antibiotics. I've seen some of you "anti" talking about being sick but it's okay because you're taking drugs. I don't think that many provaccine people realize that the human body is genetically, on the most basic scientific level, DESIGNED to fight off invaders (i.e. germs, illness) IF left to grow the way it is designed to the immune system is made to heal the body. The problem is that we (general) introduce unnatural things into a brand new immune system unnecessarily. On top of the vaccines that are growing too numerous to count, any time there is a sniffle or blink these children are stuffed with antibiotics or otc medicines. Let's remind that immune system that it doesn't have to do a thing!! That way when the illness comes back or the germs are touched again the body won't know what to do and the antibiotics will rush in and save the day. (Oh, and the pharm companies will buy a bigger wallet)
Let me just give a personal example of prodrugs vs antidrugs.
My ds stopped getting vaccines when he was about 1. In 4 years he has been to the dr. 2 times for being sick. Both times he got so much worse than if he hadn't gone at all. I was a worried mom and wanted to alleviate his pain. Turns out he's allergic to antibiotics. The second time they gave him a different one and he ended up in the hospital. After that we gave high doses of tlc anytime he was under the weather, which has been once since that incident 2 years ago. When he was 2 he was in daycare and almost every child got pinkeye. Of course, every single parent ran for the antibiotics. I said, no thanks and used homeopathic drops and warm compresses. His cleared up overnight and stayed gone as child after child developed reoccuring cases and needed repeat antibiotics.
My ds and dd have natural immune systems that are as untainted by the pharm companies as I can get them. We don't fight a fever off with meds and stuffy noses and chest congestion are treated with humidifiers and steamy bathrooms. My children are very rarely sick and when they are it is for a very short period of time. If they were to get an illness on the vaccine list I honestly feel they would fight if off better than a vaccinated child. I welcome everyday germs and don't use antibacterial soap. My kids touch shopping carts and cookies that fell on the kitchen floor. Yet, my friends kids who are all vaccinated and go to the dr for this that and everything in between are constantly getting sick. Their immune systems cannot handle anything because they are conditioned to wait for the drugs to take over.
So, if an immunized, frequent antibiotic user gets a case of the mumps their immune system thinks that it doesn't have to do anything because it already got a shot for it. The weakened immune system allows secondary illnesses to take over and lead to complications. Complications from these illnesses are rare but in a child with a real immune system they would be even more rare.
I read a post from someone claiming that a can of tuna has more mercury that a shot. Um, who in the world do you know that is shooting tuna into their veins? I hear these arguments a lot about those chemicals being in other things that we ingest all the time. I don't think these people understand that there really is quite a difference between inGesting and inJecting.
To all you hogwash swallowers out there...just because the cdc says it doesn't mean it's true. There are so many fear mongerers in the media outlets these days that I understand why you'd think that your kid needs the flu shot or the latest vaccine or the newest antibiotic for their sneezes. I wish more people would do their own research. And remember, doctors who go against the pharm companies are not popular people. Pharmaceutical companies control a lot. and hide a lot.
I'm a stay at home mom so I get to see daytime tv commercials. I'm sure you've all seen the ads run for local lawyers. It seems that every day there is a new commercial asking if you or someone you know was harmed from some kind of drug. If so you should join the "sue em" bandwagon. When I was young I remember the birth control patch being a big fad that all the high school girls wanted because you didn't have to remember to take it everyday. Guess what? Now the Ortho Evra patch people are being sued. My point is that these drugs have not been around long enough for any of us to know all the ramifications of them.

Bottom line- I don't think it's enough to just not immunize. Use common sense with the smaller things. If you have a strong immune system you don't need the pills and shots. If you don't take the pills and shots then you have a strong immune system. And science wins again.

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Registered: 08-20-2007
In reply to: robin_3764
Thu, 01-08-2009 - 4:26am
girls
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In reply to: robin_3764
Thu, 01-08-2009 - 11:16am
I agree .. I think some people who are so strongly against all medications / medical intervention don't fully understand all of the ailments / disorders / diseases that people can have that actually do require medication and intervention -- and it seems to me that people really take their good health for granted. Sometimes a healthy lifestyle just isn't enough.


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Registered: 08-20-2007
In reply to: robin_3764
Thu, 01-08-2009 - 2:05pm

I agree .. I think some people who are so strongly against all medications / medical intervention don't fully understand all of the ailments / disorders / diseases that people can have that actually do require medication and intervention -- and it seems to me that people really take their good health for granted. Sometimes a healthy lifestyle just isn't enough.


True. No amount of sunshine and sleep ( as per the links above) are going to cure my blood disorder.


Also in one of the links provided above it claims to reduce the risk of diabetes.


My fiance has been a labourer all his working life. Out in the sun 10 hours a day. He got diabetes. None of his family has it, hes was in great health, ate right and went to the gym.


You're sunshine website also doesnt list the harm that you can get from the sun.


girls
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Registered: 09-09-2007
In reply to: robin_3764
Thu, 01-08-2009 - 2:54pm

http://www.news-medical.net/?id=34041

"Sunlight stimulates the body to produce vitamin D which has been proven to offer protection from some cancers, osteoporosis, rickets and diabetes.

The scientists at the U.S. Department of Energy's Brookhaven National Laboratory and colleagues at Norway's Institute for Cancer Research in Oslo, say the health benefits from some sun exposure are far larger than the skin cancer risk."

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Registered: 08-20-2007
In reply to: robin_3764
Thu, 01-08-2009 - 4:18pm
girls
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Registered: 08-20-2007
In reply to: robin_3764
Thu, 01-08-2009 - 4:19pm
Skin cancer facts & figures


In Australia, every year:



  • skin cancers account for 80% of all newly diagnosed cancers.
  • one in two Australians will be diagnosed with skin cancer in their lifetime.
  • GPs
girls
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Registered: 09-09-2007
In reply to: robin_3764
Thu, 01-08-2009 - 6:28pm

"Setlow says although increased UVB exposure may result in an increase in non-melanoma skin cancers these are relatively easy to cure and have very low mortality rates compared with the internal cancers vitamin D appears to protect against."

"Moan has estimated that doubling the sun exposure for the general population in Norway would also double the number of annual skin cancer deaths to about 300 but that 3,000 fewer people would die from other cancers and he believes the benefits could also be significant for people in other countries.

Moan recommends daily sun exposure for about half the time it takes a person to get sunburn; another way to access more vitamin D could be by designing sunscreens which block the long ultraviolet wavelengths that trigger the deadliest forms of skin cancer while letting through short ultraviolet wavelengths that produce the vitamin."

from: http://www.healthmad.com/Health/Health-Benefits-of-Sunshine.73591
"Recognizing that over exposure to the sun will cause damage to our skin and cause skin cancer, studies are now suggesting that regular exposure to the sun's rays actually improves health. As little as 15 to 20 minutes of sunshine twice a week can make a difference."

"But Cedric Garland, a cancer prevention specialist at the University of California, San Diego's Moores Cancer Center says 600,000 cases of breast and colorectal cancer could be prevented each year worldwide by increasing our intake of vitamin D. Garland says the fastest way is to get ten to fifteen minutes of sun per day without sunscreen."

No one is suggesting spending hours upon hours in the sun with no protection every day. The first article clearly states that the BENEFITS outweigh the RISKS. MODERATION is the key.

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Registered: 02-10-2004
In reply to: robin_3764
Thu, 01-08-2009 - 7:35pm

I also believe that antibacterial soaps are unnecessary and kill the good bacteria as well.(something that's also helpful for a good immune system) Normal soap and water will do the job.


I have a friend who is a biologist.

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Thu, 01-08-2009 - 7:38pm
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