apparent minority?

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Sun, 07-20-2008 - 7:45pm

Wow i never realized how many people are against vacinations... and i seriously wonder why? i've read people on here saying they'd want their child to get a disease to develop natural immunity? to me that seems horribly cruel! if you can prevent your child from ever getting measles or chicken pox or polio why wouldnt you? Sure every now any then a vacination causes a problem but polio killed thousands of people and infected tens of thousands... I bet FDR is rolling over in his grave.

Additionally, i've noticed a bizzard trend on debate boards in which the cl is biased and there is only one cl... shouldnt there be one on each side if an unbiased cl cannot be located?

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Sun, 07-20-2008 - 8:25pm

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Adminstering a vaccine is the very act of giving disease... attenuated, killed, foreign cells, possible viral contamination etc... To me, this seems horribly cruel.


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The vaccine "creates" a humoral response in its recipient, ie: antibody production.

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Sun, 07-20-2008 - 8:32pm

"in the real world there are too many variables."

im sorry bt this is silly. small pox is now non-existant when it used to kill as man as 1-in-7 kids in europe (according to WHO)... how can you even imply vaccines dont work in reality?

99% reduction in bacterial meningitis since the vaccine in 1988 (accordng to the cdc).

honestly how can you take that arguement seriously?

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Sun, 07-20-2008 - 8:51pm

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Small pox?

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Sun, 07-20-2008 - 9:02pm

Sigh:

meningitis one: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5111a4.htm

Small pox: Fenner F, Henderson DA, Arita I, Ježek Z, Ladnyi, ID (1988). Smallpox and its Eradication (PDF), Geneva: World Health Organization. ISBN 92-4-156110-6

You mean to say that is a sheer coincidence that diseases with vaccinations have been irradicated or nearly so?

And also your claim of exercise and sunshine and eating right is a false dichotomy. First of all i dont think there is any amount of potato chips and sitting on your butt that will cause polio, but i digress.

The correct (fair) analogy would be if a healthy, eating right exercising vaccinated kid and an eating right exercising non-vaccinated kid were both release in the world whos more likely to get measles.
and since youre so big on citation find me a study that shows wellfed exercisy kids who arent vaccinated get diseases less than junk eating lazy vaccinated kids.

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Sun, 07-20-2008 - 9:05pm
sorry heres a link to that PDF
http://whqlibdoc.who.int/smallpox/9241561106.pdf
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Sun, 07-20-2008 - 9:18pm

Thanks for the effort.


I direct you here:


http://messageboards.ivillage.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=iv-ppvaccinedb&msg=4201.1


Please share this publication with us (since I can't find it anywhere), in paragraph one it says:


We have great concern for the increasing prevalence of relatively or absolutely penicillin resistant pneumcocci coupled with the increased relative frequency of pnemonococcal diseases as a result of universal Haemophilus vaccination.

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Sun, 07-20-2008 - 9:24pm

sorry im confused about the first part of that post, please explain?

also if the goal is to present a factual arguement whch can be supported by research (as it often is in debates, corect me if im wrong) then yes. i do win

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Sun, 07-20-2008 - 9:27pm
if i'm right, you've cited an article you cant find and quoted it? if its bad form for me to have you research my points how is the reverse any less bad form?
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Sun, 07-20-2008 - 9:36pm

I did as you did, and I have bits and pieces.

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Sun, 07-20-2008 - 9:41pm

"I did as you did, and I have bits and pieces."
I have not stated that i cannot find any of these articles. In fact i told you to go to a library. just cause its not an internet source does not make in invalid. In fact if you were in a university class writing a paper they'd insist you cite the hard copy, not the internet cite as internet sources are considered LESS reliable.

Additionally this aricle is talking about children who dont respond to antibiotics which says more about the prevelence and over prescrition of them rather than vaccines.

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