Apples and oranges?? WHY?

iVillage Member
Registered: 08-05-2008
Apples and oranges?? WHY?
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Mon, 01-18-2010 - 2:06am
I'm finding that IRL medical personel and friends keep comparing my children's risk factors to those of people in conditions that are no where remotely similar to my own in order to incite fear. For instance, one of my good friends cited a reason to vaccinate: her nurse told her that she must dutifully vaccinate her children because there are more and more outbreaks of preventable diseases happening in places like the Northern Territories (not sure where exactly she meant, i.e., the cities or rural environments) due to lack of vaccinations. I know that living conditions up there would less than meet our standards here in Edmonton, AB, so why would I compare my children to kids from up there?
I'm also finding a lack of information about people who are dying from these preventable diseases. Are they already immune compromised? What if I want actual statistics about people who are similar to my children as far as risk factors go, i.e., healthy children who live in a warm house with sanitary living conditions, running water, a very healthy diet, with no daycare and no immuno compromisations (sp?) to date?
Is that really too much to ask? Why would I want to compare my risk factors with statistics from a 3rd world country?
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iVillage Member
Registered: 10-18-2007
Wed, 01-20-2010 - 10:15pm

I do. Certain models are better applied depending on sample size and a number of other factors (confounders, etc). If you are going to suggest that statistics cannot be manipulated, you can go shovel that to someone else.

Stop talking to me like I'm an ignorant child please.

iVillage Member
Registered: 06-16-2009
Wed, 01-20-2010 - 5:16pm
Awesome resource.

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iVillage Member
Registered: 12-14-2005
Wed, 01-20-2010 - 4:47pm

Canadian Source:
http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/im/vpd-mev/index-eng.php

I also subscribe to this newsletter:

IMPACT, Immunization Monitoring Program ACTive, is a paediatric hospital-based national active surveillance network for adverse events following immunization, vaccine failures and selected infectious diseases in children that are, or are soon to be, vaccine preventable.

IMPACT is administered by the Canadian Paediatric Society with funding from the Immunization and Respiratory Infections Division of the Public Health Agency of Canada.

IMPACT reports the more serious hospitalized cases and selected outpatient visits for adverse events and vaccine-preventable diseases, and complements the Canadian Adverse Event Following Immunization Surveillance System (CAEFISS).

http://www.cps.ca/English/surveillance/IMPACT/IMPACT.htm






iVillage Member
Registered: 11-06-2009
Wed, 01-20-2010 - 10:32am
What?
iVillage Member
Registered: 10-18-2007
Tue, 01-19-2010 - 10:22pm

I don't think they lie. But they can't convince people with statistics that cannot be substantiated, or have been derived via mathematical estimation. Most people I know just try to point this out so that people can become aware of the practice.

iVillage Member
Registered: 11-06-2009
Tue, 01-19-2010 - 3:00pm

Rates of infection for disease are fairly universal.

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-27-2007
Mon, 01-18-2010 - 1:39pm
I agree, those are valid questions. Perhaps the Canadian equivalent of the CDC may have the statistics? Although in the US people seem to think the CDC spouts lies to serve the pharmaceutical companies, I look to them to get statistics, and follow their guidelines.
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iVillage Member
Registered: 06-16-2009
Mon, 01-18-2010 - 1:24pm
good questions.

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