CA deadly pertussis epidemic

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CA deadly pertussis epidemic
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Thu, 06-24-2010 - 1:04pm

An example of what can happen in communities with low vax levels (in this case, due to poor access to healthcare among migrant farm workers).


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/24/us/24cough.html?ref=us


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Registered: 01-02-2009
Thu, 06-24-2010 - 5:55pm

this vaccine doesn't prevent carriage or transmission of the illness. Even with 100% of the population vaccinated, pertussis could (and would) continue to circulate.

All of the stuff I'm going to link to comes directly from either the CDC or the medical literature.

http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/vaccine-efficacy-how-often-do-vaccines-work/dtap/pertussis-vaccine-and-transmission/

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Pertussis vaccine and transmission

http://www.ima.org.il/imaj/ar06may-2.pdf

Pertussis is considered an endemic disease, characterized by an epidemic every 2–5 years. This rate of exacerbations has not changed, even after the introduction of mass vaccination – a fact that indicates the efficacy of the vaccine in preventing the disease but not the transmission of the causative agent (B. pertussis) within the population .

http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress
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Thu, 06-24-2010 - 8:15pm

Back from a great trip to DisneyWorld!


From your second link:


"Pertussis has mild or atypiccal forms and could be overlooked because clinicians may not consider pertussis to be the cause of a cough, especially in older children and adults . The infected adult becomes a source of infection for non-vaccinated infants and children with low immunization levels.

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Thu, 06-24-2010 - 8:28pm

Deadly??? Well shoot, if a NY Times journalist says it then it MUST be so!!!

Unlike the AJC reporter who simply stated facts that can be backed up.

http://www.ajc.com/health/content/metro/stories/2009/03/22/whooping_cough_vaccine.html

You won't find any science saying that pertussis is deadly. You WILL however, find *plenty* of science which discusses the FACT that the vaccine has a very high failure rate...and the boosters don't help much. After that first set of booster shots were recommended, they just never bothered to take another look. Or maybe they did, they just didn't ask for it to be published since no one was happy with the outcome. Nothing new about that!

I've posted all those studies before, not to long ago, I do believe. But if Gwenn needs to repeat herself over and over, I guess I need to as well. However, I've had all I can take for one day so it will have to wait.

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Registered: 01-21-2010
Thu, 06-24-2010 - 8:30pm

VACCINES DO NOT KEEP YOU FROM BEING A CARRIER!

How many times and how many different ways do we need to say this???

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Registered: 01-21-2010
Thu, 06-24-2010 - 8:41pm

Just how many adults do you suspect have gotten that vaccine??? I'm betting the number is smaller than the number of employees at Disney World, but who's counting...oh yeah, you are.

The lack of logic found in some of these posts just really annoys me. Not everyone runs right out and does what the CDC recommends! Well, not unless they are told to stop taking a drug that the FDA said was safe and then after human testing of the drug found they were *wrong*. And *THEN* only after loosing a few hundred court cases do they warn the public. It's disgusting!!!

Maybe they shouldn't be allowed to hold stock in the same companies which manufacture the products they are approving.

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Registered: 07-03-2006
Thu, 06-24-2010 - 9:11pm
Okay, crunchy, Gwen's linked article says 5 infants died.
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Thu, 06-24-2010 - 9:21pm

Just because not everyone is complying doesn't mean it's the wrong recommendation.

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Registered: 01-02-2009
Thu, 06-24-2010 - 11:15pm

ah well, faith in pharma is infinite for some.

Here is how it works.

People get the vaccine. It doesn't prevent carriage. This means that people who have been vaccinated can tote the bug around. It doesn't prevent transmission. This means that the bug they are toting can be shared with others, including babies, who can become sick and die.

But it gets better. Once you have been vaccinated you have a really good chance of having a case of pertussis that doesn't look like pertussis and doesn't sound like pertussis. But can still spread like pertussis.

So, let's say that grandma is really good and trots over to the doctor who gives her the pertussis shot to protect the new baby who will be born soon. And then grandma gets a bit of a cough. But she knows she has been vaccinated, so it can't be pertussis. It doesn't sound like pertussis or anything. So she goes right on over to visit the new baby who proceeds to catch pertussis and die.

Which will, of course, be blamed on the family down the street who have some unvaccinated children. The children didn't actually have pertussis right then, but they are unvaccinated and we all know that people who are unvaccinated spread disease.

http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress
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Fri, 06-25-2010 - 9:25pm

If it were a deadly disease then ALL of the people who got it would die. Babies are at risk, its why I kept mine away from crowds until their immune systems were more developed. It's also why I didn't allow ANY vaccines until after the age of 2.

Do you read ANYTHING or just skim through until you find something you want to comment on? Refer to post #2 and post #5, and let me repeat the very simple statement made by Minorityview: "This vaccine doesn't prevent carriage or transmission of the illness." That has been said in a few different ways in this thread alone...what part do you not understand? Just the parts which do not agree with your pharma-induced indoctrination??? In addition to this thread, you've read it COUNTLESS times on this board. Why do we have to constantly repeat ourselves?

Yes babies are at risk, ESPECIALLY those babies whose immune systems have experienced countless vaccine assaults before the myelin sheath has even matured. (Please read that paragraph again if you didn't get it the first time. If it takes a third read, then go for it!)

I'm beyond confused that you think something that did NOT kill billions and billions of people can be considered deadly. Maybe that's why the CDC doesn't refer to it as a fatal disease in healthy persons above the age of two. Ya think???

"(Don't blame it on attempted treatments, please!)"

Are you joking??? How many of those parents had enough sense to avoid suppressing a low-grade fever in those babies? How many of their doctors were brainwashed to reach for the Tylenol and/or Motrin immediately? How many of those parents do you think may have NSAIDS and Tylenol in the medicine cabinet as we speak? What was done to those babies when they entered the ER?

YOU don't know, but we can BOTH speculate.

Two of my children were exposed to Pertussis for several hours in a closed-up room with no windows. Neither have had the Pertussis vaccine and neither got Pertussis. Nor did myself, my 65 year old Aunt or my nearly 60 year old Mother who was not vaccinated for Pertussis. She was an EMT and also a nurse and denied the vaccine because the DPT caused my brother to have severe brain damage (a/k/a Severe Autism!) Not a single doctor over his 23 years of life EVER denied that it was caused by the vaccine. It would have been extremely foolish of them to do so, being that he was perfectly normal BEFORE the vaccine and began having seizures within hours of the vaccine. (Coincidentally, he never flapped his hands before then either!) Way back then they only gave ONE vaccine at a time, and back then, the doctors were not instructed to LIE!

If you've read a thing typed on this board then you know full well you've read my story before. Again - why must we repeat every single word over and over???

Now - PLEASE put on your thinking cap for this next paragraph so I don't have to type it again:

IF my never-vaccinated daughter got the disease then I would most likely know it right away because she would present with symptoms classic of pertussis. Your vaccinated kids will most likely not present with classic symptoms. INSTEAD, your children will CARRY the disease to others and possibly kill a baby or two in the process and you won't even know its pertussis until it is way too LATE.

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Registered: 01-21-2010
Fri, 06-25-2010 - 9:37pm

"Sad stories like the one Gwen posted may spur more people to get their shots."

People??? You mean sheeple don't you?

"If it has the side benefit of helping me not be a carrier, so much the better."

Yeah, I'll just leave that one alone...

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