CA deadly pertussis epidemic

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CA deadly pertussis epidemic
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Thu, 06-24-2010 - 1:04pm

An example of what can happen in communities with low vax levels (in this case, due to poor access to healthcare among migrant farm workers).


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/24/us/24cough.html?ref=us


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Registered: 01-21-2010
Mon, 06-28-2010 - 9:50pm

"Especially when it actually HAS killed people."

You mean like all the vaccinated babies who died of SIDS? And I guess the HPV vaccine is considered deadly in your book too. Or - were all those deaths just cases of sudden *adult* death syndrome?

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Registered: 07-03-2006
Mon, 06-28-2010 - 10:01pm

<<"The article also says..."


"You know, what a journalist has to say really doesn't concern me much since I'm already aware of the many many lies and ignorant statements they make.">>


I was quoting from and referring to the scientific journal article that minorityview linked to, not the original NYT article from Gwen.

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Mon, 06-28-2010 - 10:05pm

"why do you express surprise that no one wants to bother having a discussion with you anymore?"

Is that why you and your side-kick left last time? I noticed you two always show up in pairs. And wow, you even had the good doctor and all her lies with ya last time you were here complaining about my personality.

And, are you not having a conversation with me right now???

Very interesting Gwenn.

Give it right back if you want, I'm not gonna whine about it, I promise. I think you have a problem with being corrected, not so much my sarcasm, but that's just my opinion. Now, can we get back to the debate and leave the discussion about Dana at the door?

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Registered: 01-21-2010
Mon, 06-28-2010 - 10:42pm

"What you quoted is a sentence fragment, not my full sentence,"

But we both know that even in its entirety, its meant to have the exact same impact. Vaccines are, by law, NOT mandatory.

People who are not bright enough to read a bunch of legal speak are the ones hearing that word "mandatory" and assuming it leaves them with no choice in the matter. I've had DOCTORS tell me that. Do you not think they are smart enough to know better? Or maybe they are just passing on the group-speak like so many do...

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Registered: 01-21-2010
Mon, 06-28-2010 - 11:09pm

Dr. Tenpenny's comments:

There was a lot of discussion this week about pertussis and parents in California were worried about the outbreak...and their unvaccinated children. The "hallmark" of pertussis is a barky cough of at least 30 days duration. The cough is worse at night and there may or many not be mucous. Generally the fever is minimal, if there is any fever at all. During the day, those with pertussis may not appear even appear particularly ill.

Pertussis is more worrisome in children less than 3 months of age due to the small size of windpipe. Unless you are SPECIFICALLY tested for pertussis with a nasal or throat swab, you may have had it and not known! A persistent cough is frequently diagnosed and treated as "bronchitis". Most persons who have had pertussis -- children of all ages and adults--recover uneventfully with Vitamins D, C, A and lots of water with lemon.

On my Facebook Wall there were many posts (June 23-24) by parents sharing that their FULLY vaccinated children had full-blown pertussis. And many parents discussed a few weeks of sleepless nights as they struggled through a "miserable cough" with their kids, but then had a full recovery.

But the problems associated with DTaP (pertussis) vaccines are real. If you search the VAERS database, you will see THOUSANDS who were severely injured or died from the vaccine.

I have created a table to show the ingredients in the pertussis vaccines (DTaP). Please go here and download the pdf link at the top of the page. Feel free to paste this file on your website, pass on to others in your email database and print copies for your friends. What would you rather be concerned about? Keeping your child healthy from the inside out (something you have control over), or taking your chances by injecting these substances into your precious child (the outcome of the shot is something you have NO control over).

Key: Be more concerned about the vaccine and its potential side effects much more than you fear the bug - and turn off your TV!

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I think that part about the TV is key...now I'll go watch some since I'm sick of this circular conversation. Well, except the parts that are about me, I kinda like those, lol.

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Mon, 06-28-2010 - 11:10pm

"What I was wondering was if you purposefully put your kids in that situation knowingly or if you just found out about it afterwards. I hope the latter."

Okay, I take pride in what I'm about to tell you so lets keep that a secret around here...

No. I did not know until the next day when I got a phone call from a homeschooling Mom who told me to turn on the news. Did I worry that my kids were gonna start coughing? In the words of Sarah Palin: YOU BETCHA!

When my daughter got chickenpox I totally freaked out and worried my no-vax friends to death with my insane fears, so this time I tried to stay calm and just research methods to help them heal from Pertussis. Days went by and nothing. I was already prepared to go to the doctor with my Mom and my Aunt so I could express my concerns and ask questions that I knew neither of them would know to ask.

Here's the part I'm so proud of: When my daughter got the chickenpox, my homeschool friends BEGGED me to have a chickenpox party and I declined. Why did I decline? Because I learned that my daughter had already exposed every last one of those kids. She was playing with them on her most contagious days (prior to the rash is when they are most contagious). I did consider it, even after our pediatrician tried to guilt me out of it. The strange part about it was that I could not find another kid within miles of us who had the pox. The majority of the kids that we were around were Catholic and they won't do the chickenpox vaccine due to it being cultivated on aborted fetal tissue. My other child had a birthday party the day she broke out. I called the public pool where the party took place to ask if anyone had warned them that their child had chickenpox...no such calls. I called doctors offices and community health services for miles around - no reports.

So if I sound "angry" sometimes...its probably because I'm aggravated after reading the word "mandatory" in the same sentence with the word "school" OR, I've just read a statement which leaves the reader to believe that every person who gets exposed WILL get a disease...NOT TRUE! And I get sick and tired of you people insinuating lies.

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Tue, 06-29-2010 - 9:17pm

"No. I did not know until the next day when I got a phone call from a homeschooling Mom who told me to turn on the news. Did I worry that my kids were gonna start coughing? In the words of Sarah Palin: YOU BETCHA!"


Okay, that's good.

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Wed, 06-30-2010 - 5:07pm

I'm delighted that you picked out one passage from the massive amount of information I shared on pertussis and concluded from that one bit that the vaccine really does provide herd immunity. Ignoring all the rest of the content I provided which explained in detail that it doesn't actually do any such thing.

I've been puzzled sometimes that people can be sort of dense about vaccines. It helps to see the process in action.

Thanks for the demo.

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Wed, 06-30-2010 - 7:56pm
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Mon, 07-05-2010 - 4:25pm

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Just thought I'd point out that this is what provaxxers do when a child suffers a vaccine reaction. (predisposition, etc...) If someone addresses a person's predisposition to succumb to complications from communicable disease they are told they are blaming the victim, but they won't think twice about pointing out underlying *genetic* predisposition, etc... when a child is sacrificed for the herd.

If a caregiver makes the choice to use antipyretics on their children when they present with high fever, or allow a medical professional to do so, that act is not without consequence. Just like a person that doesn't use a vaccine or antipyretics, those actions are not without consequence. Treatment is everything. The effectiveness of a treatment must look at outcomes of said treatment. There is no observational study that looks at the health outcomes of vaccinated and unvaccinated people, but people have no problem making inaccurate assumptions as it relates to a perceived benefit.

If you're not looking to diagnosis a disease, you won't. If you are on alert from a heightened sense of irrational fear instilled by certain propaganda tools, you'll diagnose it. That's exactly what the polio article IV just did demonstrated. And rather well.