CDC says ALL kids should get flu shot

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CDC says ALL kids should get flu shot
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Sat, 11-08-2008 - 9:57pm


CDC says vaccinate all kids to control flu

September 25, 2008 - Honolulu Advertiser








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Sun, 11-09-2008 - 11:41am

As of last weekend, all 3 of mine are done and good to go.

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Tue, 11-11-2008 - 3:42pm
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Mon, 11-17-2008 - 10:23pm

We are all vaxed here, too.

No problems...no complications for anyone.


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Tue, 11-18-2008 - 10:42am
I'm glad you al excrete mercury. My family, not so good mercury excreters. I'd rather have had the flu than the injuries from mercury.
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Registered: 12-14-2005
Tue, 11-18-2008 - 10:59am

Well I've often said what side of the debate you fall on depends on whether or not your child has had an AE to a vaccination.

We use to vaccinate per schedule until DD had AEs to Hep B vaccinations. I regret not having done my research much earlier. Had I known then what I know now, I would have never vaccinated.

And our family Doctor was the one who suggested no more vaccinations and at DD's recent appointment she still feels that way.

I am lucky to have a Doctor who recognizes that the vaccine schedule is not one-size fits all for every child.






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Tue, 11-18-2008 - 12:33pm

Twoscoops - Do you know the difference between Methyl and Ethyl mercury? Methyl causes health risks, gets into brain, two months to break it down while Ethyl (thimerosal is one type) cannot get into brain (molecule too big) & eliminated from body in one week.
Which laboratory test exactly did you take to know that your family has a hereditary mercury excretion delay? Sorry, I'm not familiar with it.

Have you ever really had the "real flu"? My child almost died from it. So, I'll take my chances with excreting mercury, lol. And, it is important that someone understand that mercury exists in the REAL world. Did you breasfed your children? A child BF for 5 months exclusively gets 25x more methyl mercury than from one single vaccine dose, and it is even higher for formula. A tuna sandwich has 5x more methyl mercury. I could go on and on here, but we encounter these things in our environment every day. Vaccines have risks, yes, but so do the diseases and so do other activities. We must consider the risks in relative terms and the benefits that many people do get from vaccines. This isn't a black & white issue. Don't treat it like one.

I agree with the person (sorry forgot your name!) who talked about vaccines not being one size fits all. There are risks and benefits, just like anything else in the world. If someone has a reaction, all due caution should be taken. There are some people for whom the risks outweigh the benefits - such as someone who may be immuno-compromised, or has had a previous serious reaction. It doesn't mean everyone shouldn't vaccinate. It means some people should do so with caution and understanding the risks and benefits,and in some cases not uptake particular vaccine given their reaction history. But, on the whole - on a population level, vaccines continue to be a good thing for our greater population and good.

Before vaccines, parents in US could expect every year:
Polio= paralyze 10,000 children
Rubella (German measles) = birth defects and mental retardation in as many as 20,000 newborns.
Measles = infect about 4 million children, killing 3,000
Diphtheria = one of most common causes of death in school-aged children
A bacterium called Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) = meningitis in 15,000 children, leaving many with permanent brain damage
Pertussis (whooping cough) = kill thousands of infants

Part of this issue is what someone's world view orientation is....I take a risk with my children to vaccinate because it is in the interest of the greater health of the population (which ultimately is also in their greater interest), although I knowingly take on some level of risk for them. My world view is "We're all in this together", while some people have a world view of "Your on your own", which is more of an orientation that says "I make decisions only on what is best for me and my own this very minute and who cares about the rest of you".

Anyway. I'm not sure why I got on here. I hate debate as it brings out the very worst in people usually. So, good luck to all of you in the decisions you make for you and your family's health regardless of your beliefs on this issue. I wish you all good health and happiness. We all are, after all, all people first.

Amy


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Tue, 11-18-2008 - 12:55pm

Hi Amy.

Rands

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Tue, 11-18-2008 - 1:23pm
Well, of course it does.
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Tue, 11-18-2008 - 8:14pm

Thanks for explaining the difference in the types of mercury.

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Tue, 11-18-2008 - 10:09pm

Gina,

The declining rates absolutely DO have an impact. Hence, the outbreaks of measles and pertussis last year. They were all started among the unvaccinated, and then spread....including to some who couldn't be vaccinated and some that didn't acquire complete immunity. For instance, I've had more MMR than I can count - and for some reason my titer stays low - who knows why I don't have the typical immune response. So, I don't know if there is an outbreak if my body would rise to the occasion based on my past vaccinations or if I would be at risk for contracting measles. I guess if people continue to stop vaccinating I'll find out at some point! Personally, I'd rather ride with the herd and NOT find out. I've heard measles isn't too fun to get.

Here is a link to the MMWR on the measles outbreak. It is the largest we've had since 1996. It's a very interesting read.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5733a1.htm

We know that when vaccination rates drop that outbreak peaks. There is a direct correlation that can't be disputed no matter what you think about vaccines. History proves that very well in several countries. Take a look back at the old data from England after the big scare with that first (badly done) article that tried to link autism and vaccines. (of note, this was probably one of the most badly done studies I've ever seen - I've seen high school students put together better science and research!). The Lancet later regretted publishing it and most of the authors retracted their names from the study. It's worth reading if you are interested in seeing how a REALLY bad study is put together, lol. It basically makes a claim linking autism to MMR that could just as easily have linked breathing air to autism based on the logic used - it was that bad. Even most of the anti-vaccine folks agree now that it was a terrible study, lol.

And with flu, I'm with you on that. My DS got it when he was 6 months old. He lost 2 lbs in a week and one more over the next couple weeks. All this because a friend of our family "doesn't believe in the flu shot" - and wanted to see him over the holidays and didn't tell us she was feeling badly already when she came over to visit. She got hit full blown with the flu the next day. Covered him with kisses while she was there...and he almost died. He was so dehydrated he stopped urinating and had no tears at all, his soft spot was sunken in like someone had hit him in the head with a hammer. We tried to manage it for a week at home back and forth to the MD, but eventually had to go to the children's hospital - where we sat with hundreds of other families waiting for six hours to be seen. In that time, he had so much diarrhea - complete liquid and bright pink from the pedialyte that was going straight through him without any absorption at all - that we ran out of diapers and clothes for him although we had brought an entire bag of extras with us.

It took several more months for him to recover and for his bowel to heal enough to have solid stool. This is the reality of influenza in an infant. This is why over 20,000 children under the age of 5 are hospitalized each year for flu. Meaning - actually admitted fully to the hospital. This doesn't include the ED visits where a child might have received IV fluids for hours and then sent home to monitor, etc....

This happened before the new recommendations for children as young as 6 months to get flu vaccine...and even if the recommendation had been out, chances are as he had just turned 6 months he would have still been exposed. This is why responsible adults need to get vaccinated for influenza. The CDC recommends that all caregiver contacts also be vaccinated - to avoid spreading it to unprotected infants and young children, the elderly, and others who may be at risk.

Thanks,
Amy


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