Do any of your unvaxed children have

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Do any of your unvaxed children have
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Thu, 05-01-2003 - 9:38am
asthma? If so, do you get the recommended flu shot every year? Also, what do you use to treat your child's condition?

Lucky

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Mon, 05-05-2003 - 3:27pm
John,

What planet are you getting your information from? On EARTH asthma is NOT caused by vaccines and antibiotics. Whoever told you that has their head up their U NO WUT!

Lucky


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Tue, 05-06-2003 - 3:42pm
I know you're right about people's intentions.

It's hard to make joking remarks here (it doesn't translate well to email discussion unfortunately!) Really, I meant more like "I get ya, but you know, you're coming on a bit strong there, eh?..."

Thanks

ps I also have nothing against medications if they are used properly, without coercion and in moderation. I'm glad you found a way to manage.

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Tue, 05-06-2003 - 4:04pm
I don't know how anyone can say for sure yes or no. There are just too many variables:

vaccination - which ones, how many

use of antibiotics - how much is overuse?

use of antivirals

pollution

genetics

and whose to say they aren't all interrelated somehow?

Also, there is no way in the world to prove a genetic cause for anything, unless it appears consistantly, predictably and in 100%of cases, for example, trisomy 21 (Down's symdrome) At best you can build an association but you can never determine with accuracy whether it is the genetic condition that causes the asthma or whether the genetic condition in fact causes a reaction to the causal agent that results in asthma.

I can't see any testable way to separate out these factors, so I cannot see anyway to say with any certainty that Vaccines do not cause asthma.

Asthma is triggered by infection or allergy - an immune reponse. Vaccine formulations use aluminum as a way to boost the immune system's response to the vaccine. If the body learns a strong response to the vaccines it seems possible that it may react strongly to other invaders. Certainly, asthma seems like an exaggerated immune response.








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Wed, 05-07-2003 - 6:05am
I just wanted to add that just because an unvaccinated child developes asthma does not mean that vaccines do not cause asthma. It could simply mean that in that child's case, vaccination was not the trigger.

An example of this could be 2 toddlers who suffer a sudden severe hair loss - one recently vaccinated, the other not. In the vaccinated child's case the hair loss could be attributed to the presence of thallium (which is a common contaminant of mercury). The second child's hair loss could be due to poor diet.

What you see are two children with the same condition that has arisen from two separate sources.

Asthma could very well be caused by ANY agent that interferes with the natural maturation and function of the immune system whether it be vaccines, antibiotics, or any other medications that interfere with immune system activity.

Also, a point to be made here is that some parents who thought their children were completely unvaccinated were surprised to find out that in fact they were. An example is the intravenous "vaccine" given to premature infants to combat respiratory viral infection. Some infants can receive up to three doses of this before leaving the hospital.

I personally see it as very difficult to make any conclusions about asthma - at this point in time.

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Sat, 05-17-2003 - 6:01pm
No. Neither do. And both are exceptionally healthy in every way (anecdotal though our experience may be, no illness whatsover in over 2 yrs, and no serious illness EVER is pretty great, as far as I am concerned!;) I consider 12 years of personal experience worth a bit more than some abstract, statistical "eveidence" which contradicts it, lol!

To tell the truth, in over a decade of working with thousands of young children, the ONLY unvaccinated children I have known with asthma (2) were unvaccinated BECAUSE of their severe condition, which was clearly hereditary in both cases; one girl's father had died before her birth of a severe attack. None of the other unvaccinated children I knew of had the condition. I knew many other vaccinated children with asthma, of course, as is to be expected with any such condition and the overwhelming percentage who are vaccinated.

Like virtually every condition,asthma has multiple causes and aggravations, which may include, or preclude, vaccination.

Kimberly


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Sun, 05-18-2003 - 12:44am
kimberly,

please check out the parentsoup, immunization debate "the power of the adecdote". from reading your posts, i know you'll get my point in the debate and could use some support arguing it.

thanks!

georgia

sorry to use this post to track you down but i didn't know how else to go about it.

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Wed, 05-21-2003 - 7:20pm
Georgia, Okay, I'll check it out. Yep, I am kindof hard to track down these days! Sorry to post and run as I have had to do recently; just have to set priorities, and this has been pushed pretty low down on the list, lol!

I will certainly offer whatever support I can; I am not one to ignore generalities or statisitcs out of hand, BUT, when they directly contradict my own experience, I tend to grant what I KNOW first hand precedence over what someone else experiences/studies/says in the "most likely", lol!

My goodness, if we all blindly accepted everything the media/studies tell us, we'd never go out of our homes for fear of crime/terrorism/whatever. Sometimes we have to stop, look around, and realize that "hey, that is NOT MY experience! I refuse to be defined, limited, or overly influenced by something my own senses and exp. tells me is not so in my world."

Kimberly

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