Do you vaccinate your pets?

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Do you vaccinate your pets?
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Sat, 04-19-2003 - 2:12pm
Why or why not?

Lucky

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Wed, 05-21-2003 - 7:51pm
OOOKAAY. IF you had pets, no doubt you would vaccinate them profusely. Somehow I never wondered ,lol! We don't, and somehow I am sure YOU never wondered either, lol;)

And thanks for the info on that particular virus; several verterinary sites I visited during my reseach gave me false information, then. None mentioned any possibility of humans contracting the virus from their dogs (and I was not worried about it regardless), but they presented it as the same virus, acting differently in animals than in humans. Perhaps a case of "dumbing it down" for the "laypeople"; instead of going into more detail and explaining that it was, in fact, a close relative of the measles virus, and the equivalent of measles in dogs, NOT actually the identical one. ???

Kimberly

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Tue, 04-22-2003 - 10:48pm
We don't have any pets. If we did, they would be vaccinated as well.

Kimberly wrote: "She almost died from what I have no doubt was distemper (which is one of several viruses which is associated with "kennel cough", and which, btw, is the same virus which causes measles in humans, but no, none of us got measles from her"

FYI - the human measles virus is NOT the same as the virus causing one of the canine distempers. Both viruses are of the paramyxovirus family and the morbillivirus genus, but the species (canine distemper virus measles virus) are NOT the same.

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Mon, 04-21-2003 - 5:36pm
Rabies only and only because it is required by law. Meaning that if our dog bit someone and didn't have it, she could be put down. So for her protection in that sense.

We had an indoor outdoor cat for over 16 yrs (she was probably a yr or two old when we adopted her as feral) whom we didn't vaccinate. She was perfectly healthy and active until the week before her death, when everything just seemed to shut down due to old age.

Our dog had parvo when we got her as a 5 wk old pup, and we spent several hundred dollars saving her life with a week of IV hydration. The receptionist at the vets tried to get me to sign off on having her fully vaxed at the time, and I just gawked at her!! "Are you kidding?", I said, "she is at death's door and you think we we should inject her with all this crap NOW?"

A man in the waiting room with his rotweiller chimed in and said, "My dog had 5 parvo shots and STILL got it!" LOL!

Anyway, we never vxed her for anything but rabies, and she was 7 yrs olf when we did that for the first time (due to an out of state move).

Then, last year, she was vaxed with rabies again, despite being current on her out of state certificate, (since this state used to have 1 yr requirements as opposed to the 3 yr requirements in most states; since changed, over the objections of vets who feared lost revenues from office visits, lol!) after she bit our dd. (long story; suffice it to say it was not an act of intentional aggression, nor unforgivable given her history)

She also spent 10 days impounded, during which time she picked up kennel cough due to the overcrowding and FILTHY conditions! (I have never smelled such a dog as the one the returned to us!)

She almost died from what I have no doubt was distemper (which is one of several viruses which is associated with "kennel cough", and which, btw, is the same virus which causes measles in humans, but no, none of us got measles from her;) and I am convinced being vaccinated for rabies while ill didn't help.

She was at the vet 4 times and on 3 different medications, and he admitted he could do nothing else for her, and that testing for distemper would be pointless, as the test was not too reliable and he couldn't cure the condition regardless. I forced 1,000 mlgrams of vit. c down her for a week, and that seemed to stop the paralysis that was beginning in her back legs (a pretty reliable symptom of advanced distemper, which is one reason I strongly suspect that was the culprit) and eventually get her well completely.

There are quite a few negative effects of vaccination in animals which are well known to vets (from demylenization disorders like MS to fatal blood disorders to chronic arthitis to tumors at the injection site), which are denied violently when it comes to vaccination in humans, lol!

I do not consider these risks acceptable for our pets, who are healthy, well cared for, and in no need of such "protection" UNLESS placed in a filthy, diseased environment like the pound (which is the exception, not the rule, and only supports the "hygeine hypothesis", imo)

Just last week, my MIL told me that her sister had told her her dog (a chiwawa, sp, I know;) was really sick for two days; wouldn't even get off the bed and could hardly walk on one of his legs. OH, of course, he had just been to the vet and gotten 6 vaccinations in one visit! HELLO!!

So no, we do not vaccinate them as a rule.

I do consider them different from my kids (duh!) in that I would not vaccinate my children even if it WERE the law! And I do not consider the dog or cat, as much as I love them, on a par with my children. (had our dog bitten intentionally, I would have gladly taken her out back and shot her for a stranger, jmo, but she did not, so I could not see allowing her to be killed for one accidental act in 8 yrs! Believe me, I agonized over it; should I spend the money to bail her out or leave her? The advice from the animal control officer was to leave her, but I told him, "you do not know this dog. I do. Almost a decade of being a good family dog raised from a pup should not be disregarded becasue of one accidental act." But I suppose I am somewhere in the middle on this one; I recognized her right to live where many would have just left her to die, but I would not grant her that absolute right, regardless of her actions!)

BTW, there is no vaccine for "worms", such as might be caught by humans from dogs/cats. That comes under the heading of worming them (and ground pumpkin seeds works quite well for that, in either species).

Kimberly, "mom" to Sapia, late 16-18 yr old Siamese stray, Jane, 9 yr old Aussie shepherd and assorted rodents (hampsters),multiple fish and a litter of kitties and their feral momma (next stop; operation for kitty, lol!) How many kittens do y'all want? Sure are cuties:) Wish I could keep 'em all, but, HECK NO!!!LOL!









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Mon, 04-21-2003 - 4:26pm
Oh my goodness, I am so sorry. How awful for you. I love my cats like they were my children, they were born into my hands! I can't imagine losing one of them to something designed to protect.

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Mon, 04-21-2003 - 4:18pm
Another lurker here, just thought that I would throw in my 2 cents worth on this great topic. I am a mother of three girls and they do recieve all of their vaxs, as do my cat and dog. For our kids, me and my DH had no question as whether to vax the girls or not, for us it was a no brainer. Same thing for pets, unfortunatly we have already had a shelter kitten die from luekemia. Also our dog was a shelter puppy who came home to us with kennel cough. So after paying $100 for him we also had to pay $116 for that treatment. Both of these were preventable, and both of the shelters they came from said they had vaccinated them. I know they did, but they had contracted these before they were vaccinated. We had another cat at the time we had the kitten, just to be on the safe side, I had her vaccinated for the second time in a year against luekemia and she is currently alive and well.

For me, I do not question whether or not to vaccinate both my kids and my pets, I was vaccinated as a child with no ill effects. My cat that I have had since she was born is currently 16 years old and shows no signs of slowing down. Vaccinations are one of the responsiblitys of owning a pet for me.

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Sun, 04-20-2003 - 11:10pm
We no longer vaccinate our children after watching 2 of them suffer serious reactions, nor do we vaccinate our animals (except for Rabies since it is required by law)after watching our beloved cat die within 1 week of recieveing her vaccinations, she was perfectly healthy before the shot.



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Sun, 04-20-2003 - 10:54pm
Lurker here, coming out of the shadows since this was an issue I just discussed with someone.

I live on a tiny island with a large feral cat population, and was a volunteer for the SPCA close to ten years (my mother was briefly vice president before stepping down due to illness). It's only relatively recently that I've learned about the true dangers of vaccination on children, although I was a victim of it myself... My mother and I were sharing articles on the preservatives in vaccines, and she brought up the concern that it may be used in animal shots as well. I've never explored this. Only one of my four cats has been vaccinated, and this was because she was adopted from a shelter and they require you get shots before they leave. I've chosen not to vaccinate them both for cost reasons, and because I don't feel it necessary to protect against something that does not currently exist here. Though, this is a very special situation - in a very isolated area like this new diseases in animals don't often get introduced, and when they do everyone is made aware very quickly. I think were there an honest risk of my cats falling ill and dying of a disease so rampant that it's affecting mostly indoor pets, I would take them to the vet and inquire about vaccines... but at this point I don't feel it's necessary.

Really good question, btw!

-- Babs

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Sun, 04-20-2003 - 10:24pm
Carla, aren't there worms that you and your family can get from your pets if your pets aren't protected against worms?

Lucky

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Sun, 04-20-2003 - 9:49pm
Well we are talking about things that to my knowledge humans can not get from a pet that has it. I have to say that again a dog is not a child,its more important for me to immunize my children then it would be to immunize my pet. I just think IMHO that its apples and oranges. To me Dog and cats are not human. Two very different things.

Again this is JUST my op.

God Bless,

Carla

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Sun, 04-20-2003 - 6:47pm
What about protecting against heart worm or parvo, Carla?

Again, just curious as to where the line is drawn on protecting against disease.

Lucky

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