EXCLUSIVE: EXPERTS CAST DOUBT ON CLAIM F

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EXCLUSIVE: EXPERTS CAST DOUBT ON CLAIM F
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Wed, 06-17-2009 - 3:14pm

http://www.sundayexpress.co.uk/posts/view/104443/EXCLUSIVE-Experts-cast-doubt-on-claim-for-wonder-cancer-jabs


By Lucy Johnston and Martyn Halle

LEADING scientists and doctors have raised fresh concerns about the safety of a cervical cancer vaccine.




They have accused the manufacturers of Cervarix and another jab, Gardasil, of making misleading claims.


More than 1,300 British girls have reported adverse reactions to Cervarix, ranging from paralysis to convulsions and sight problems.


Hailed as a wonder drug, it is claimed the jab will give 70 per cent protection from the disease to every girl under 18 by 2011.


Earlier this month the Sunday Express revealed the story of Rebecca Ramagge, 13, of Reigate, Surrey, who has been unable to walk for six months because of a joint disorder.


Rebecca’s paediatrician blames her condition on Cervarix.


In Germany, 13 distinguished professors have complained that the jab makers, Glaxo SmithKline and Sanofi, have been guilty of giving “incorrect” information.


Professor Martina Doren, of the Charitie Hospital in Berlin, said: “What concerns us is that the two manufacturers of the vaccine aren’t always using facts. They claim that a lot of high-risk strains of cancer-causing virus are protected against but equally there are others that are not.


“If protection is not more than 20 per cent then that is an awful lot of money to be spending, particularly as the vaccines have quite serious side-effects.


“Assertions that a vaccine reduces the risk of cervical cancer by 70 per cent or even 98 per cent should not be made at this point.”


Professor Doren criticised the fact that the only trials for the vaccines were carried out on women aged between 15 and 26 while the vaccine was being given to 12 and 13 year olds.




She said: “It is wrong to vaccinate these girls when it has not been tried on this age group. It is unethical.


“We are meant to be in an era where drugs and vaccines to be used on children are given trials on that age group first before awarding a licence. Otherwise you are experimenting on children, which is wrong.”


Last night a spokesman for the German national vaccines committee told the Sunday Express that a review of the evidence was under way.


Meanwhile in the Netherlands there has been mass resistance to the vaccine with only 49 per cent of girls turning up to have the first jab of the three- injection course.


Six Dutch girls were taken to hospital after being inoculated and there have been reports of more than 500 other adverse reactions.


Doctors there are calling on their national vaccines committee to reconsider its decision to back vaccination of schoolgirls. Many scientists claim the figure of 70 per cent protection against cervical cancer is not based on scientific evidence and has been used to convince parents that their girls ought to have the jab.


Experts in Scotland, where the Health Service has spent more than £64million vaccinating schoolgirls, are also expressing concerns.


Scottish Conservative health spokeswoman Mary Scanlon said: “Given this new research, it is incumbent on the Scottish government and the chief

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Registered: 06-05-2008
Wed, 06-17-2009 - 5:32pm

Seems like I recall reading that a girl can get this hpv from being sexually active. Therefore, it would stand to reason that abstinence would protect girls from contracting hpv. I don't see anyone promoting that as a method of prevention. And it would be free! Not to mention all the other problems it would solve. But, hey, there's only money to be made if a vaccine can be sold. And, if people get sick from that vaccine and require more meds, so much the better, right?

I think I'm getting cynical in my "old age."

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Registered: 06-16-2009
Wed, 06-17-2009 - 7:47pm

I think it is a bit, well, naive unfortunately

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Wed, 06-17-2009 - 11:20pm

I disagree. When my child is 4 I'll tell her that she can die if she goes near water alone or if she goes out into the highway. The same with a teen - it's a fact. You can die if you have unprotected sex with the wrong person. Don't be stupid. If you choose to be stupid and you die then those are the consequences for not being responsible. I've *not* had sex in the heat of the moment before...it's doable!

Besides, many of these parents and young girls have the wrong idea about the shot. So many think they are protected from ANY strain that can cause cancer...that's a false sense of security. But are these parents and patients reading about the deaths and the side effects caused by this vaccine - or - are they reading the advertisement that their doctor offered them? My guess is if the parents were reading the actual product inserts from the vaccine manufacturer then they would not be vaccinating their daughters they would be teaching them personal responsibility.

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Registered: 06-16-2009
Thu, 06-18-2009 - 1:22am

While I wish what you say

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Registered: 04-09-2008
Thu, 06-18-2009 - 8:33am
This is why they lowered the age - in hopes of catching girls before they became sexually active.
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Registered: 04-09-2008
Thu, 06-18-2009 - 8:37am

Had I have known then what I know now, believe me, I would have waited. Physical damage aside (but no less important), the emotional damage is huge. Hopefully dd will learn from my mistakes.


And yes, many people definitely have the wrong impression of this shot.

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Thu, 06-18-2009 - 10:51am

There is so much more to the responsibility of having sex than just avoiding four of the 90+ strains of HPV. That has a lot to do with my stand on the subject but we can agree to diagree :) .

I will agree with you that parents won't step up to the plate. That is unfortunate, but what better way to show young people that hey, you have a kid, you step-up to the plate, not doing so is not acceptable because it can lead to death.

It just saddens me that young people have an out (abortion) and they have the kid just to spite someone (you mention rebellion) and they have the baby to hold onto the daddy - and that's become acceptable social behavior. Maybe it's the *acceptable* social behavior's we need to stop accepting in this society.

Accepting things because everything is totally out of control in one's life is not helping. Doing that has contributed to us living in a society that I'm not especially excited about my kids living in.

KWIM?

I'm glad you're posting and not lurking! Welcome!!!

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Registered: 06-16-2009
Thu, 06-18-2009 - 1:04pm
While I understand what you are saying, I feel differently. I just do not see where it is my business to impress my morals on anyone, the same as I do not see it as right (or just or

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Thu, 06-18-2009 - 2:07pm

By allowing someone to die simply because they were careless with their life - that's not exactly *imposing* anything. So I'm not really making anything my business, I'm just saying that's the way the world works and even if they have to learn it the hard way, kids need to learn about personal responsibility. Pretending that it is acceptable for them to be engaged in grown-up behavior is like putting your stamp of approval on it. I won't. That doesn't mean my kids won't have sex as teens...Lord knows we've already been there, done that - (my stepson). But if all parents refused to okay the behavior then the behavior would not be as fully accepted as it is in our society today. We've given our stamp of approval on teen sex a long time ago. Then we gave our stamp of approval on abortion and parents are accepting what they say they can't change. Only no body has tried to change it...only accept it.

You are probably right in your stand, the problem has grown so big that my ideas will no longer have an impact...we're too far into accepting the behavior now. But if young people saw that death by carelessness is happening all over the world, maybe they would grow up and use their heads. I do understand though that peer dominance, peer acceptance and peer pressure is controlling these kids lives...it's awful, I know.

I don't really view vaccinating as a philosophical difference at all. I do what I do because there was a time when I listened to group-speak and trusted my doctors. Now I know that groupspeak is clueless and my doctors are brainwashed. Other people should have the opportunity to learn about it. Unless people who do know the truth stand up, then people remain oblivious to the truth. The ones who don't know the truth won't ever even realize what they don't know.

I've lived Autism...I just can't sit back and allow others to blindly vaccinate based on what their doctors tell them. I did it, and my Mom did it and we learned the hard way.

I bet my Mom is not the only one who blames herself either. It makes me crazy-mad that she blames herself for doing what all parents are told to do...if I can save just ONE Mom from living with that guilt, then all the hours I spend at this will be worth it. Mom's are not to blame, money and greed is.

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Thu, 06-18-2009 - 2:46pm

"A spokesman for GlaxoSmithKline said: “These vaccines provide young girls and women valuable new protection against cervical cancer and have been thoroughly tested by vaccine experts."

Just the very admission, by an athority figure, is telling kids that it's okay to have sex, just get your protection. And notice that not once will they mention that the vaccine is only designed to protect against four strains out of over a hundred. It sickens me how they leave the average parent believing that this is a protection against cancer. Only two of the four will potentially cause cancer!

He may as well have said "These vaccines provide young girls and women valuable new protection against two strains that may possibly lead to cervical cancer and have been thoroughly tested on adults only, by vaccine experts, for a few days. All side effects are ignored because they only happened to a few - so far - that we know of...

It's amazing how the general public is so dumbed down that they don't even realize how often their child under 12 is prescribed a drug that has not EVEN BEEN TESTED on their age-group.

It's so wrong!

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