Gardisil Vaccine...

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Gardisil Vaccine...
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Thu, 08-06-2009 - 11:53pm

I'm sure this has been discussed, but I just felt like I had to share this and see what other parents think.

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Registered: 06-24-2008
Fri, 08-07-2009 - 12:39am

I definitely don't think you're off your rocker, and I think it's great that you and your daughter have such open communication. I also think that as long as your daughter is open to an abstinence-only commitment, with abstinent-only men, its a safe bet.

Situations in college can get sticky - so to speak. Things can get hot and heavy and it's hard to turn back or just stop things from happening. BUT .. if she insists on protection and is smart about who she's with I think she can safely have sex without also requiring the Gardasil vaccine.

It's something she can always decide to get at a later date if she feels it's necessary.




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Registered: 06-16-2009
Fri, 08-07-2009 - 12:53am

I am not really sure what kind of response you are looking for I just wanted to say that

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Fri, 08-07-2009 - 3:38pm

It's not so much about trusting her as it is trusting the company who makes the vaccine not to mislead you.

She's gonna do what she's gonna do. She has freewill, you have to trust her to use it.

Our government on the other-hand, and the FDA, are made up of people who also have freewill. And when it comes down to money or ethics, they choose. We all do.

Most important thing you should know about Gardasil is that it only protects against four of the more than 100 different strains. Being responsible will have to protect her from the other 96+ strains so why risk the vaccine?

Why?

Here's some links on the subject:

http://www.ecmaj.com/cgi/content/full/cmaj;177/5/484

http://messageboards.ivillage.com/iv-ppvaccinedb/?msg=4588.1

http://jenjensfamily.blogspot.com/2009/03/in-memory-of-jenny.html

http://messageboards.ivillage.com/iv-ppvaccinedb/?msg=4304.1

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4781857n

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/02/06/eveningnews/main4781658.shtml

http://messageboards.ivillage.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=iv-ppvaccinedb&msg=4273.1&ctx=8192

http://health.usnews.com/articles/health/childrens-health/2008/12/11/vaccines-get-new-scrutiny.html

http://health.usnews.com/blogs/on-women/2008/07/02/is-hpv-vaccine-to-blame-for-a-teens-paralysis.html

http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/permalink/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20090209005358&newsLang=en

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/359/8/861

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/NVICGardasilvsMenactraVAERSReportFeb2009.pdf

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1167803/How-safe-cervical-cancer-jab-Five-teenagers-reveal-alarming-stories.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK97CHQZhq0&NR=1

http://www.chinapost.com.tw/health/cancer/2008/12/09/186899/Cervix-cancer.htm

http://www.gardasilandunexplaineddeaths.com/

http://fda/CBER%20-%20Information%20from%20CDC%20and%20FDA%20on%20the%20Safety%20of%20Gardasil%20Vaccine

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/on-women/2008/7/2/is-hpv-vaccine-to-blame-for-a-teens-paralysis/comments/

http://www.kpcnews.com/articles/2007/03/14/online_features/hpv_vaccine/hpv01.txt

Sorry to overwhelm...it's just that there's nothing good to say about that vaccine!

Death and destruction to prevent four out of one hundred strains?

How can that be worth it to anyone? And yet again, this is a disease that is NOT FATAL.

Welcome to the board! And you're not off your rocker! But do remember that those men in her life will also have freewill. Some will lie. Some won't. :)

Four out of one hundred strains --- that is what you need to know.




Edited 8/7/2009 3:52 pm ET by crunchymomto2
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Registered: 06-16-2009
Fri, 08-07-2009 - 6:47pm
I think it is a bit disingenuous to say that hpv is not fatal. While it is true that many people that contract hpv will clear it with ease, the longer the virus is in your system the higher the risk of developing some cancers, namely cervical or anal both of which ARE fatal in some cases. So, yes, technically HPV itself is not fatal but the cancers associated with it are. Also while there are 100 or more strains of the virus the

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Fri, 08-07-2009 - 8:55pm

I agree. I do wished we had numbers regarding how many women are walking around with HPV as we speak...and then if we had numbers to show how many of those would die from cancer...that would be great. But we don't keep up with those numbers either so it's hard to know.

You seem to speak from a standpoint which makes me believe that you think the majority of people are educated and well informed about vaccines. I seem to speak from one where people are left with the impression that this one vaccine will keep them from getting cancer.

You don't find it disingenuous when the vaccine manufacturer's ads and literature lead the reader/listener to believe that? It does. I have spent enough time on parenting boards to know that it is what many think. They are also led to believe that ALL HPV leads to cancer and ALL of those cancer's lead to death. In many cases, the wording and lack of truth leads the parent to believe that the vaccine has a 100% efficacy rate.

I guess it bothers me most because I do hang out on boards where the parents are less educated in the truths about vaccines.

Technically HPV *can* lead to a fatal cancer. And technically, the vaccine *can* lead to death, not to mention lifelong damage to the body as well as the brain. HPV can stay dormant, appear and then disappear, it's not always a death sentence - CERTAINLY not deadly on the scale that the pro-vax camp will lead you to believe it is.




Edited 8/7/2009 9:32 pm ET by crunchymomto2
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Registered: 07-17-2005
Fri, 08-07-2009 - 9:41pm

Does anyone have something about vaginal warts caused by the HPV vaccine?

I remember reading something and was trying to find it but I may not have bookmarked it.

That vaccine has some real doozies for side-effects. I simply don't understand why any informed parent (or adult patient) would get that vaccine. Maybe none of them are truly informed? It's all I can come up with to explain why...

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Registered: 06-16-2009
Fri, 08-07-2009 - 10:54pm

Oh I absolutely believe that the pharma cos are dishonest, not just disingenuous.

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Registered: 03-25-2004
Sun, 08-09-2009 - 10:32am

Rather than hit them with a vaccine, if and/or when your daughter become sexually active, it is more prudent to take her for a pap every year and have them examined by a gyn. They can look for lots of other things at that point. HPV shows up on paps as dysplagia, and if you're having one done every year, you definitely should be able to take care of it before it becomes cancer.

And now to go listen to the idiot on TV pushing the H1N1 vaccine. Grrr.

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Sun, 08-09-2009 - 3:02pm

"And now to go listen to the idiot on TV pushing the H1N1 vaccine. Grrr."

That is what really pisses me off about the HPV vaccine commercial! Parents do not listen to the details and they get the wrong idea. I can not tell you how many times I've talked to a Mom who has this strange idea that the shot will forever protect the child from cancer. Not just cervical cancer mind you, but ALL cancer. The thoughts of treating HPV just like AIDS just simply doesn't occur to the parent. My gosh, what's gonna protect your child from HIV? Keeping the legs crossed perhaps? This type of cancer is extremely rare in teens and when they are older, it never occurs to anyone that the vaccine will wane and they won't be protected from the vaccine. If only they realized that there's primary and secondary vaccine failures which happen at a rate that nobody can quote because they are not keeping up with the rate of failure for this vaccine or any other vaccine. When you read about failure rates, those numbers may as well be pulled out of hat!

Cervical cancer deaths are practically nonexistent in females less than 20 years of age. Why don't thy include that little fact in their commercials?




Edited 8/9/2009 3:04 pm ET by crunchymomto2
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Registered: 06-16-2009
Sun, 08-09-2009 - 3:36pm
The vaccine is not designed to protect the women from developing cancer in their twenties (though I suppose that happens on occasion because there is a certain number of women that develop the cancer rapidly) moreso to prevent long term virus circulation in the system which is where the danger lies.

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