Gulp, Home Visits!

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Wed, 08-05-2009 - 12:13pm

Health Care Bill Will Fund State Vaccine Teams to Conduct ‘Interventions’ in Private Homes
Thursday, July 16, 2009
By Terence P. Jeffrey, Editor-in-Chief


(CNSNews.com) - There is a knock at the front door. Peeking through the window, a mother sees a man and a woman, both in uniform. They are agents of health-care reform.


“Excuse me, ma’am,” says the man. “Our records show that your eleven-year-old daughter has not been immunized for genital warts.”

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Registered: 06-05-2008
Wed, 08-05-2009 - 3:49pm
It doesn't read as if the laws will change in that there will still be exemptions. As long as there are still exemptions, they can come by my house....doesn't mean I'll let them in or talk to them....certainly doesn't mean they'd be allowed to touch my kids.
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Registered: 06-16-2009
Wed, 08-05-2009 - 7:54pm

No, there is nothing that says that exemptions have changed, just another way for the gov't to push its way into my life I guess is what I am saying. You may not mind but I am pretty irritated that I may have to deal with it. The government should mind its own business.

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Registered: 06-05-2008
Wed, 08-05-2009 - 9:03pm
Don't get me wrong - the idea works me up too! I get upset when my insurance company sends me a letter letting me know that I "may have forgotten one or more" of my child's vaccines....yadda yadda yadda. But, it doesn't scare/worry me as long as exemptions are still in place. Just gets my adrenaline going for fight or flight response. KWIM?
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Registered: 07-17-2005
Fri, 08-07-2009 - 5:22pm

"It doesn't read as if the laws will change in that there will still be exemptions."

Not right now, but that is what people are hoping for - that those who oppose the health-care-bill will assume that they will forever have the freedom to deny vaccines. They pass this less-scary part of it first, then they take away our rights to protect our children from vaccines altogether. That's what Nobama is all about, taking our rights away. In a little over 6 months he's shown that all he's concerned with is government control...and this country will soon be something none of us recognize anymore...everything that makes this country great is being taken away, little by little.

The government will decide if your child needs ADD drugs and which one. They will decide that your newborn is at risk of getting a sexually transmitted disease and should get the Hep B vaccine. And when the child dies, too bad. When the child is paralyzed or brain injured for life --- too bad.

I'm so upset over this health care bill that I can hardly sleep for worrying over what I need to do to protect my family. My kids will not get any vaccine, I don't care what I have to do. Never in my wildest dreams did I ever consider the kind of America that will be if this bill passes...never. This is the very opposite of freedom. Only recently was I worried over what they are doing to our food in this country, now this. I'm so stressed over it all! The American's who don't even know about all this are stressed over something else caused by (or made worse by) our government.

God, where are we headed? Don't be fooled into thinking this isn't about baby steps. Like I said, they pass this bill with this wording, then they decide that the Swine Flu vaccine MUST BE mandatory, then they'll decide that all shots are mandatory. Baby steps...

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Fri, 08-07-2009 - 6:26pm

Ahem, umm ok, well I just wanted to point out that it was the Bush administration

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Fri, 08-07-2009 - 8:37pm

Yes, it was Bush. However - at this time, and during his time in office, we did not have vaccines forced on us, did we? So under Bush, no, my freedom to deny vaccines for my children had not been taken away yet. Yes, the patriot act has been a disgrace and in my opinion is un-American too. But that's not what this thread was about, I thought we were discussing OBAMA'S bill, that is why I saw no need to mention Bush and what he started.

I just can't believe that anyone knowing the truth about vaccines could ever support such a bill as this one. Anyone else supporting this nonsense? I'm not wanting to debate, just curious that's all.

What will a national government controlled health-care plan lead to in regard to vaccines - in your opinion? You don't have a crystal ball, but from what I have read of that bill, nobody needs any crystal ball, just a little logic and the ability to look at other issues that started seemingly innocent just like this one (no matter which president started it) and then led to something none of us would have ever agreed to (no matter which president put it into place). This bill needs to die and I don't care which president started taking our freedoms away first. Many people don't know a thing about what you're talking about since the media didn't halfa$$ cover the Patriot Act, not the local media anyway.

Bush had nothing to do with this government controlled health-care plan and that is the bill which will ultimately lead to mandatory vaccines. What he did - indeed paved the way, yes, but it's not his plan and he never went so far as to try and control our health, just our conversations and the pocketbooks of the drug manufacturer's. Most parents would be outraged to learn that the drug manufacturer's were given full immunity. I don't recall even the big news stations on TV covering the story but I hardly ever watch TV so maybe that's why.

I didn't vote for Bush, nor did I vote for Obama. This health care bill is not affordable, I don't care how many lying and brainwashed politicians/journalists say it is - it is not. As the system becomes even more unaffordable over time, we'll see more government control, there's no way around it. And if Obama is not in office at the time it happens, doesn't mean he's not to blame.

I don't want my government deciding which drugs I am to take and which surgeries I will have or when they will be scheduled. I don't want to have to wait to see a specialist because of some paperwork or lack of doctors. I don't want to die because the government see's my age and doesn't see how fit and healthy I am, instead sees only my age and decides my life can be spared all in the name of money. I don't want my overweight Aunt to die because the government thinks she's unworthy of a life-saving surgery. In addition to that home visit where vaccinations are forced on the whole family, that is what we're heading for. We will also see the government deciding that your child doesn't act right so he needs mind-altering drugs whether you like it or not. We need to worry about what this bill doesn't say as much as what it DOES say. This bill needs to die.

And who thinks that just because you have to wait 6 months for your cancer removal that you'll have to wait 6 months for a vaccine? Oh no, they'll make provisions for vaccine clinics, you mark my word! People will get their vaccines! Merck, along with Orac and friends will make sure of it!

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Fri, 08-07-2009 - 9:30pm

I'm reading this again, but I forgot to say one thing: What we have now --- and this new bill --- those are NOT the only options.

One of my first jobs - I held a state license to sell health and life insurance, so I know what a racket insurance is too. There are many other viable options though. Just because the media and our politicians are too blind to discuss any other option, people are left with the opinion that its all we got. It's not.

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Fri, 08-07-2009 - 10:19pm

I don't want my government deciding which drugs I am to take and which surgeries I will have or when they will be scheduled. I don't want to have to wait to see a specialist because of some paperwork or lack of doctors. I don't want to die because the government see's my age and doesn't see how fit and healthy I am, instead sees only my age and decides my life can be spared all in the name of money. I don't want my overweight Aunt to die because the government thinks she's unworthy of a life-saving surgery.


This argument makes no sense to me because under the current system a bean counter in an insurance company makes these *exact* decisions.

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Fri, 08-07-2009 - 10:53pm

I read the transcript.

First, one would need to be convinced that government can do anything more “efficient”. He kept saying that a government run health-care system would *have* to be run more “efficient”. What has he seen that leads him to that conclusion? Because I haven’t seen it. Besides, there’s already state insurance plans in some states where the family has to pay a very small amount for insurance. Families think the need for a cell-phone (or two or three or four) is greater, so they go without the cheap insurance option that would cover them just as well as a high paid executives health-care plan would.

They need to pull these *products* and take the insurance industry out of the stock market. If you take away the profit, you take away the greedy shareholders. High-paid Executives with their high dollar bonuses wouldn’t be needed if the government told insurance companies they could no longer deny claims. The administrative staff could be cut in half if they weren’t handling the same claims over and over five or more times in some cases. Doctor’s office staff could be freed up for more important duties if they weren’t always knee-deep in paperwork – it is really not necessary in a day and age where records are computerized, that’s a lot of waste right there. Yes, it would cut jobs, but cutting the Executive salaries in lieu of some honest employees alone would make up for some of that cost…and at least we may still have some shred of capitalism remaining in the health care and insurance industry. We need competition to drive the markets. The health-care industry is no different. Doctors and nurses need motivation and having the government treat the good ones with the same cookie-cutter treatment as the slack ones, is a disaster waiting to happen.

We’re Americans, we can do better than this! And please don’t come back with some nonsense about people without insurance because I’m not suggesting we keep that problem going. We don’t have to. It’s not the only option. The health care bill is about so much more than that!

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Fri, 08-07-2009 - 11:11pm

They need to pull these *products* and take the insurance industry out of the stock market. If you take away the profit, you take away the greedy shareholders. High-paid Executives with their high dollar bonuses wouldn’t be needed if the government told insurance companies they could no longer deny claims.


That is naive.

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