Help - need real facts!

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Help - need real facts!
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Fri, 08-15-2008 - 4:03am

I'm trying to find some solid information about the risks of vaccinating vs the risks of not vaccinating. My son is due in November, and I'd like to have all the information and a decision made before he arrives. The only anti-vax sites I've been able to find seem hysterical, badly researched

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Registered: 04-09-2008
Fri, 08-15-2008 - 9:35am

Lianne:


You're not going to be able to read ALL the information by November - I've been reading for 5 years and feel I've only scratched the surface.

Rands

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Registered: 08-31-2004
Fri, 08-15-2008 - 9:52am

My bad, I meant to list the immunisations my child would be getting in my OP. I'm in the UK, so it's a bit different from what children would expect to get in the US. Here is the schedule:


Routine childhood immunisation programme in 2008.

Each vaccination is given as a single injection into the muscle of the thigh or upper arm.






When to immunise
Diseases protected against
Vaccine given

Two months old
Diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis (whooping cough), polio and Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib)
Pneumococcal infection
DTaP/IPV/Hib
+ Pneumococcal conjugate vaccine, (PCV)

Three months old
Diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, polio and Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib)
Meningitis C
DTaP/IPV/Hib
+ MenC

Four months old
Diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, polio and Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib)
Meningitis C
Pneumococcal infection
DTaP/IPV/Hib
+ MenC + PCV

Around 12 months
Haemophilus influenza type b (Hib)
Meningitis C
Hib/MenC

Around 13 months old
Measles, mumps and rubella
Pneumococcal infection
MMR
+ PCV

Three years and
four months or
soon after

Diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis and polio
Measles, mumps and rubella
DTaP/IPV or dTaP/IPV
+MMR

Thirteen to eighteen
years old

Diphtheria, tetanus, polio
Td/IPV


Hepatitis is not a routinely-given immunisation in the UK.



Well, I'll have to have read enough to make a decision.



True or false - polio can cause paralysis, measles can cause blindness, mumps can cause infertility and rubella can cause fetal malformation?



Why is that? Aren't there any anti-vax studies done on a decently-sized population that show clear and actual risk?



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baby siggy
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Registered: 04-09-2008
Fri, 08-15-2008 - 10:08am

If I remember correctly from my cohorts from the UK, vaccination schedules aren't nearly as stringent as the US. (as in for making one feel they must comply - (military's a different exception)...


I like to recommend this book that covers all the vaccines you list below - it references the vaccine, the disease and history.

Rands

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Registered: 08-31-2004
Fri, 08-15-2008 - 10:19am


Children aren't excluded from school for not being vaccinated, if that's what you mean. My sister felt bullied by her GP to vaccinate my niece, but my mother didn't vaccinate any of us 5 and didn't have a problem.


baby siggy
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Registered: 04-09-2008
Fri, 08-15-2008 - 10:52am

Children aren't excluded from school for not being vaccinated, if that's what you mean. My sister felt bullied by her GP to vaccinate my niece, but my mother didn't vaccinate any of us 5 and didn't have a problem.


***Children aren't here either - it's just set up to be believed that they are.

Rands

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Registered: 04-09-2008
Fri, 08-15-2008 - 11:09am

I knew somewhere on here, we had links to studies - here's 1: (I think there may be 1 or 2 more links I'll try to find and post them for you)


http://messageboards.ivillage.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=iv-ppvaccinedb&msg=4219.1&ctx=128


Rands

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Registered: 09-23-2005
Fri, 08-15-2008 - 1:57pm

Lianne, I just also wanted to encourage you to research vaccine-by-vaccine.

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Registered: 12-14-2005
Fri, 08-15-2008 - 3:32pm

Hey Lianne!

Nice to see you over here also :) I would suggest this web site also: http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/ The authors source studies, CDC, FDA, etc and provide LINKS for all their assertions so you can follow up their claims.

This is the process I used. We researched by vaccine for disease like this:

1) Read the CDC Pink Book Chapter on the disease (what the likelihood of getting the disease, what happens if I get it, what are my chances of "serious" complications): http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/pink-chapters.htm and the CDC page on the disease: http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/default.htm

UK Resource: http://www.immunisation.nhs.uk/

2) Read the product insert for the vaccine:
http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/package_inserts.htm or http://vaers.hhs.gov/pdf/PackageInserts.pdf or here http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/licvacc.htm

UK Resource: http://www.immunisation.nhs.uk/Vaccines

3) Read the clinical studies on the vaccine:
This is a global site - http://www.clinicalstudyresults.org/ (There is a place on the FDA web site for this also but I have misplaced my bookmark for it)

4) Looks up the stats on the MMWR:
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/

5) Look up adverse event reporting in VAERS:
http://www.fda.gov/Cber/vaers/vaers.htm

6) Use pubmed to find studies that have been done on the vaccine/disease:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/

You also want to do some basic reading on how a clinical study is conducted, what vaccinology, epidemiology, immunology, etc. are, understand how the immune system works, understand how a vaccine does and does not work - make sure you note learning about things like memory cells, types of immunity (eg, passive, natural), vaccine failure (primary and secondary), myelination, blood brain barrier, etc

There is a lot to research, take the time to become comfortable with whatever decision you make.

Good luck and feel free to post any questions here as you research.









Edited 8/15/2008 3:49 pm ET by cl-tashlb
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Registered: 12-14-2005
Fri, 08-15-2008 - 3:37pm

"but my mother didn't vaccinate any of us 5 and didn't have a problem."

Hey Lianne,

If I read that right you have never been vaccinated? Did you have all the childhood illnesses also? By this I mean, chicken pox, mealses, mumps, rubella?

Are the five you all in good health? Did anyone of you have complications from your Mom's choice not to vaccinate?

I am only asking because I think one of the reasons I am comfortable no longer vaccinating is because I was not vaccinated with all the vaccines as a child.

I had MMR and CP as a child as did all my cousins and no one was left blind, sterile, etc. Everyone's immune systems are the better for acquiring natural immunity IMHO.

I also think that breastfeeding until a child self-weans is tantamount to good health. Breastmilk has so many immunological properties. (I know I am preaching to the choir on this!)






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