Help-Spell it out, Please

Community Leader
Registered: 11-12-2008
Help-Spell it out, Please
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Tue, 01-20-2009 - 10:04am
Hi ladies!
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iVillage Member
Registered: 04-09-2008
Tue, 01-20-2009 - 1:04pm

Myself, I don't vaccinate my children. (both however had Hep B at birth).

Rands

iVillage Member
Registered: 01-02-2009
Tue, 01-20-2009 - 2:43pm

good site for info:
http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress

Look under the back to basics info at the top and the pages on specific vaccines and diseases. Lots of good blog articles, too, but you need the basic info first.

Good for you for thinking about vaccines!

My favorite vaccine slogan:

Vaccines. A no-brainer.

http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress
iVillage Member
Registered: 12-14-2005
Tue, 01-20-2009 - 3:17pm

Hi and welcome to the board.

I think they only person that can spell it out for you, is yourself.

I suggest delaying until you are satisfied with your research and comfortable with your decision.

If you are looking for some places to research you could start on this board and also the Vaccine and Non-Vaccine Support boards.

I posted on this board how I did my research with links to the materials I used to come to my decision here: http://messageboards.ivillage.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=iv-ppvaccinedb&msg=4252.2

Hope it helps.

Is there a particular area you are concerned about? Something you have perhaps heard you would like clarified?






Community Leader
Registered: 11-12-2008
Tue, 01-20-2009 - 9:31pm
Well, I do not feel like I was allowed to make the decision, really. With my older two children, I basically went along with vaccinations, mindlessly- though I hated it.
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iVillage Member
Registered: 07-17-2005
Tue, 01-20-2009 - 9:49pm

I don't vaccinate any longer. I selectively vaccinated my first on a delayed schedule that began at age 2 and stopped at age 5. He does not have Autism but he does have environmental allergies that are somewhat severe during spring and fall. I regret that he ever had any vaccines after learning what I know now.

It took my husband and I 10 years to decide to have a baby. I was too afraid to have kids because of vaccines. See, a long time ago doctors did not deny that vaccines caused Autism. Back then, they didn't use the word Autism either...but my brother was clearly Autistic, right down to his classic textbook actions and personality traits. The doctors all admitted that his condition was due to the shot (DPT). Today that shot is a weakened version (DTaP), today doctors will deny that any shot caused any autistic symptoms, per the instruction of the AAP and CDC.

That SHOULD have been my first clue but unfortunately it wasn't.

I learned that the entire industry cannot be trusted. I realized that doctors tell Moms what the AAP tells them to --- and they get their info from the CDC who's decision-makers are allowed to hold stock in pharmaceutical companies and that conflict of interest is permissible and that the FDA and CDC are protected from any liability...

If I were you, I would study the diseases. Start with Hep B and Tetanus. Realize that there are MANY more means of protecting oneself and ones baby from these diseases, rather than vaccinating.

Learn that getting chicken pox and being exposed later in life is a GOOD thing. Same with Measles and Mumps. Rubella and Diphtheria are so rare that there's little chance of getting either but do look at the numbers anyway. Look at how the cases of diseases were decreasing before the vaccines were widely used.

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-17-2005
Tue, 01-20-2009 - 10:22pm

I know all about mental anguish. I beat myself up over the day I gave my son the MMR, and he's not the slightest bit autistic. I can't imagine how I would feel if he were thinking back on that day. I cried for the solid hour it took to get home. He was so proud because he didn't cry...and here I was completely loosing it. Another child was in the car with us so he didn't notice me but I could hardly see through the tears to drive. To this day, I can still see his little face sitting there in the lab, one eye was teared up but he looked at me and said "I didn't cry Mama!".

Now I just get angry about that day back in 2004 - I was pregnant and exposed to the live *attenuated* diseases! I wish I had known then what I know now. He never had the boosters, needless to say!

iVillage Member
Registered: 10-18-2007
Tue, 01-20-2009 - 10:53pm

Hi.

I have both vaxxed and unvaxxed kids. I stopped vaccinating some time ago, I don't recall when (I'm old and I watch the same shows as my preschool kids do... "and I'm likin' them").

While I think that the act of vaccination is an abomination of nature, I do understand the method behind the madness and the principle (before the mad scientist took over) was actually a good one. I am vaccinated, and two of my kids are... my oldest suffered bouts of inconsolable crying, post vaccination fevers and rashes, lichen sclerosis/planis all to which I attribute to my manipulation of her immune response. I can't say "the vaccination is the reason" for her susceptibility, but what I can say - is that I provoked an inflammatory response in this child, repeatedly, very early in her life, and she is compromised as a result. I also fed this child antipyretics at every sign of fever (upon the recommendation of her pedi) and used doG-awful OTC medications that I was told would alleviate her symptoms while she was on the mend from whatever bug of the week that seemed to find its way to her as if she were a beacon for opportunistic infection.

I do believe that controlling infectious disease is of public health importance, but I also think that we are taking history out of context. A child that eats crap, sits in front of the TV everyday and doesn't exercise isn't one that I'd bet on to fare well when exposed to "vaccine-preventable disease" - regardless of vaccination status. We have to realize that confounders increase over time, and that morbidity from so-called preventable disease afflicted an entirely different, susceptible, generation (s) of people. I find that people often refer to the past as if we are somehow cushioned from disease because it's not affected us the way it has our ancestors, while forgetting all of the other non-medical related reasons why (notably diet).

If civil discourse were allowed, and encouraged, perhaps I wouldn't be so senile about all of this. But anyone that is on the questioning end of the vaccine program seems to be either serving up a Gish Gallop or wearing a tin foil hat. This is counterproductive to the issue... and those lurking, trying to decide which side of the fence to fall - are seeing this.

My biggest issues are with vaccinating the very young. I don't think any child should be vaccinated before the age of 2. Critical development occurs in the first two years of life... and an infectious disease expert might not be specialized in this development. A person trained in virology, or immunology may be limited in their expertise (aren't we all?) as it relates to the very young, pre-verbal infant.

That said, the best way to evaluate a controversy - or manufactroversy, as some would like the vaccine damage issue to be, is to sit back and watch both sides. Watch the debate, spot the tactics, and follow your instinct. In the end, you are the responsible party.

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iVillage Member
Registered: 04-09-2008
Wed, 01-21-2009 - 7:40am

"Watch the debate, spot the tactics, and follow your instinct. In the end, you are the responsible party."


Couldn't have said this any more perfectly. :-)


BTW - though I'm very fond of Spongebob, I'm semi starting to like Dora, too. ;-)

Rands

iVillage Member
Registered: 09-09-2007
Wed, 01-21-2009 - 10:43am

Secret to getting around the commercials...PBS. The ONLY channel my kids watch during the week is PBS. The cartoons are fantastic and so educational! I loooooove the lack of commercials and dread Saturday mornings when he wants to watch cable's saturday morning crud. I have yet to get annoyed with one of the cartoons the way I do with Nick cartoons.

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iVillage Member
Registered: 12-14-2005
Wed, 01-21-2009 - 10:46am

Well we use to vaccinate our DD and stopped at 18 months on the advice of her Dr as a result of us agreeing that Hep B shots were the likely cause of her seizure episodes (a ped. said it was just myoclonic jerking after epilepsy was ruled out). We then began researching and now do not vaccinate.

Our experience has biased us clearly which is why I think parents need to do their own research and in the end trust your instincts.

Good luck with your decision.






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