Hep B vaccine still killing infants

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Hep B vaccine still killing infants
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Fri, 07-11-2003 - 5:47pm
How many times have we heard this statement, when a parent believes a vaccine(s) may have harmed/killed their child...

"No one here will listen and says that I'm a grieving mother grasping at straws, but I have no other explanation."

How odd that drs cannot find any other possible cause, but are so sure it wasn't the vaccines. I can't wait until the proof is clear and the denials can no longer continue.

The quote above came from a mother who wrote to Michael Belkin, his daughter died less than 24 hours after receiving a Hep B vaccine.

Here is her letter to Mr Belkin and his response,

http://www.mercola.com/2003/jul/9/hepatitis_b_vaccine.htm

Christine







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Sat, 07-12-2003 - 9:48am
Just remember as we answer this that it is TOS to reference back & forth between the support & debate boards. By thinly veiling the details, you may escape notice, but if people start directing specifically from the non vaccine board to the debate board, and vice versa- be careful. Additionally, I'd also question if you would direct a greiving mother over to see an argument over her freshly buried child on the debate board? With that in mind, I refuse to debate the case. Suffice to say, without seeing all of the reports, no one can draw a valid conclusion.

The part that I WILL comment on was Belkin's response- gag me. <>

Ah- now that advice was grounded in good solid science. *snork*

and the cheerleading *rah rah* bit:

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But I guess anything for a buck ya know? http://www.mercola.com/store.htm

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Sun, 07-13-2003 - 1:48am
Okay, guess I should learn to thinly veil as well as Eve. I edited the post to remove all mention of any other boards.

"Just remember as we answer this that it is TOS to reference back & forth between the support & debate boards. By thinly veiling the details, you may escape notice, but if people start directing specifically from the non vaccine board to the debate board, and vice versa- be careful."

And as far as the mother knowing about her son's case being debated, I think she would welcome the attention to her case. The more people that know the better.

Christine

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Sun, 07-13-2003 - 1:53pm
Well susch, when SHE gets here & presents the data (sorta like Missy did when her newborn contracted pertussis, or Carla & Lindsey, or even myself & yourself with Nicholas & Noah, respectively) THEN I would feel comfortable commenting. I am not sure she wanted a DEBATE as well as SUPPORT though, since I don't see her here. Forgive me if I want to be a bit more sensitive to a greiving mother, than to take you up on it. If she feels like an argument she can ask for one. Anyone else may comment as they wish- just don't use links back & forth (as you didn't in the original- but I wanted to be courteous & elucidate the rules)

~miki

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Mon, 07-14-2003 - 11:35am
I'm here...keep on with what you were saying. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and who am I to tell someone how to feel. I can't stand listening to people tell me "get over it, move on with your life and have another baby" so why should anyone else have to listen to me saying one thing or another. I'll not debate the issue, I never was one for an arguement. I will end with saying that since that email was written, we have gotten the ME and coroner to listen to us as to a possible cause of death. We won't know more for another 2 weeks, maybe less, for the toxicology reports. It HAS been proven that Aidan should have never been vaccinated at 4 pounds, 11 ounces...they should have waited until he was at least at term and had some more weight on him. So, my 4 pound, 11 ounce son is now 3 cubic inches of ashes on my entertainment center.
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Mon, 07-14-2003 - 12:12pm
I am so sorry for your loss. I have been following your story on the boards and my heart goes out to you and your Husband.

A friend of mine had a baby boy and he was vaccinated at the hospital with Hep B. He was full term and a big baby. The thing that started happening to him was blood in his stools (he was breastfed). They told her it was probably a milk allergy so she cut it all out of her diet but the blood was still in his stools. She has since quit nursing and they have him on a "special formula" but there is still blood in his stools and he in now 4 months old. They did a scope but couldn't find anything. Still no answer.

The Hep B vax for infants is insane.

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Mon, 07-14-2003 - 12:58pm
Christine,

my heart aches for every family who loses a much loved child for any reason. Comments like "get over it", "when will you get over it", or "get over it and have another baby" are certainly insensitive and completely unwarranted, but Belkin's letter in response to this poor woman is the most insensitive BUY MERCOLA SPAM BS I have ever come across. What he is saying is "buy Mercola - live Mercola and you will have a healthy baby" (which also implies, if you had bought and lived Mercola before, your baby would still be alive). This is so sickening, I could throw up

Catherina

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Mon, 07-14-2003 - 1:13pm
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I have to comment here....it upsets me that this man said what he did. First of all may I ask where some of you are from that your children get HEP B vaccines at the hospital? Because my girls have NEVER had theirs when they first born. I checked their records last night after reading all this and in fact they did not get theirs till 3 months of age!

Secondly I am so sorry for the loss of your son...and I do not think that babies born prematurally should be vaccinated until they reach their "ACTUAL birth age". I think their bodies are too immuniture for it but JMO.

I am glad you came here to tell what happend but personally the way it came about I think was wrong. AGAIN JMO>...Noone can take the pain away, and to tell you to get over it is wrong. I lost my son at 17weeks gestation...and though he was too little to save, he was MY SON...my ONLY son. I pray for you hun and your family. I know the pain...and you will never forget him, and no baby you have will ever take his place NOR should anyone think it will.

God bless you and stay strong...know you are in my thoughts and prayers.

Carla

Carla,

Mommy to...MariaElena,Lindsey,Jac

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Mon, 07-14-2003 - 3:44pm
Hmm, Belkin just advised what he was doing,

"I won't tell you what to do, that is of course for you and your husband to decide. I will tell you what we have done. We now have a 2 ½-year-old son--no vaccines, no antibiotics, focus on nutrition, emphasis on www.mercola.com diet (omega-3 fish oil, lot of vegetables (mostly organic), high protein, wild salmon, meat (buffalo, ostrich). He is healthier and more mature than most of his peer group. We have a daughter due any minute."

What's wrong with focusing on no antibiotics, nutrition, (have you even read about the mercola diet?) Are you saying omega-3 fish oil is a bad thing? Lots of veggies, bad? Of course you would like to attribute the good health of his child to anything but the above, right?

He advised what they are doing and what is working for them. It is up to the reader to decide what is best in their situation.

What does Belkin have to gain by giving this advice?

Christine

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Mon, 07-14-2003 - 3:47pm
First- let me offer you my heartfelt condolences on the loss of your son. You can rest assured I would not tell you to *get over it*, *move on* or *have another baby*. You see, my oldest son Nicholas was damaged by his DTP (whole cell) vaccines when he was a baby in 1988. He was left w/significant brain damage, cortical atrophy, cerebral palsy, spastic quadriparesis type, severe g-e reflux & gastritis- developed contractures & partial dislocations to his hips necessitating surgeries. The last surgery he had on his hip in 94, at the age of 6, led to a nosocomial infection and he died of septic shock. He too, is ashes, but in our bedroom on the changing table my husband built for him, with many mementos, statues & pictures. It a certainly a hellish place to be, losing a child, - and no one can tell you how you feel, or how you should feel, or the way the smallest thing can remind you of your child, and the emptiness inside your very heart. I am very sorry.

I hope that your tests shed a more conclusive light on the cause of your son's death. It's very important to be able to get the logistics straight, and yet even then, the pain is STILL ever-present. I would caution you that BOTH sides will be adamantly sure that they are right.

I will not debate, because I remember the pain of losing Nick the first time (to the damage) and then again to death. And also, I haven't seen any of the reports, tests & findings, so how could I render an opinion?

God bless you on this awful journey. But remember, even pain has many lessons. Sometimes it can be the only way to make sense of the pain- what you learn from it, and what you are left with.

~Miki

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Mon, 07-14-2003 - 3:52pm
Carla, the CDC recommends the Hep B vaccine at birth, but also advises it can be given by age 2 mos if mom is negative.

1. Hepatitis B vaccine (HepB). All infants should receive the first dose of

hepatitis B vaccine soon after birth and before hospital discharge; the first dose

may also be given by age 2 months if the infant’s mother is HBsAg-negative.

http://www.cdc.gov/nip/recs/child-schedule.pdf

It was being given at birth routinely until the mercury issues came out, then it was being delayed, and now that mercury REDUCED vaccines are available, they went back to the at birth recommendation.

As you see in the first line, CDC recommends ALL INFANTS SHOULD RECEIVE THE FIRST DOSE BEFORE HOSPITAL DISCHARGE.

"I am glad you came here to tell what happend but personally the way it came about I think was wrong."

Why do you think it was wrong? You don't have any problem with Eve posting stories from the "Unprotected People Stories".

Kylie doesn't have any problem with the info being posted, and I didn't post it in an attempt to get her to personally debate the issues. I posted it to let parents know that this vaccine is still being allowed to ruin our children's lives.

It sickens me that she lost her baby and that it very possibly could have been avoided. How many children do we have to lose before those forcing and ENforcing this vaccine will wake up.

I am sorry you don't like the way her story came about, but it's on a public site at Mercola, which I was directed to by someone else. I was already set to post the piece before I realized that the mother in the story was in fact the same mom who posted on another board. I know she is grieving, and I also know she is hopping mad that nobody warned her in advance of the real risks to her tiny 4 lb infant.

I can only hope that by posting her story, that some babies can be saved from the terrible tragedy her baby and her family has suffered.

Is that so wrong?

Christine

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