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Thu, 11-20-2008 - 7:34am

I posted this on another board and wanted to see what reactions (and feathers got ruffled) over here. I'm wondering if there are more anti-vaccinating or more pro-vaccinating women over here...


If you were to talk to grandparents and great-grandparents who had to deal with losing childhood friends to diseases and illnesses that we vaccinate and have under control today, they think everyone who doesn't is c-r-a-z-y for not. It's too bad that it may take hundreds of children dying per year for people to realize that vaccines aren't from the devil.


Also, it has always irked me that those who choose not to vaccinate rely on my kids being vaccinated (and everyone else's kids who are) to keep their succeptible children from becoming seriously sick. I mean if EVERYONE in America stopped vaccinating, hundreds of kids WOULD get sick and WOULD die. Period. There really is no debate there. So yes, it bugs me that MY oh-so-horrible-vaccination on my kids keeps those who aren't safer.

mrsvanoven


 

I'm a vaccinating,

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Registered: 04-09-2008
In reply to: not_a_princess
Thu, 11-20-2008 - 8:07am

Hi.


I don't vaccinate my children.


I don't know why you're irked with me, I don't look to you as being my savior of protecting my children. I believe that's a misconception held by many that those that don't vacc are free-loaders. Most that I know that don't vaccinate don't fear the disease so the relying on others is a moot point.


Rands

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In reply to: not_a_princess
Thu, 11-20-2008 - 8:14am

"I'm wondering if there are more anti-vaccinating or more pro-vaccinating women over here..."

The answer is ANTI or more PC term, "non-vaccine". By a mile.

And, I totally agree with you. They sleep easy on the herd immunity that my child helps to provide. They seem to think these diseases are mild.

I can only imagine the response you are getting ready to receive, lol. Get ready, brace yourself, hehe....

Basically, no amount of real reason or good science is credible to the non-vaccine crowd in general, which of course, makes it impossible to counter any point, unless of course you are citing anti-vaccine vaccine "psuedo-science" (or really just trash science IMHO), in which case that IS credible. It really isn't a debate board, as I think there is only one other pro-vaccine person besides me that posts here and they literally swarm anyone with an opposing viewpoint. Which, in any case, makes it impossible to really have a real debate over here as they really don't have an equal balance of viewpoints. I only started the other day and decided I just don't have the time to be on here as people's minds are made so it just really becomes people throwing their own positions back and forth, and it is wearing being the ONLY one who stands up to vaccines, so at some point why bother. They aren't ever going to believe anything posted anyway, so what's the point?

But, you are right, it'll all be good until some kids start dying - at which point parents again will realize that the risk of the disease is greater than the risk of the vaccine. And, unfortunately, there will be some in that crowd that die who can't take the vaccine for a variety of reasons that normally would be "protected by the herd" that lose that protection when vaccination levels drop. And, there will be some who were vaccinated who did not acquire complete immunity who may also die. I talked to an older pediatrician the other day who is also now a director for a local department of public health and she told me "If you'd ever seen in person what these diseases can do you'd never question it, not for a moment"...Vaccines are not perfect, but in great enough numbers they are perfect enough. Whenever vaccine levels drop, disease goes up. Can't dispute that data although this crowd will spout not trusting the data - at which point I say, then should we move forward based only on emotion and fear?

But, I saw this and just had to respond. LOL, I can only imagine the response!

On no, I just responded, too....I'll probably get it also!

I really have to stop getting on here entirely.

Good luck, lol!


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In reply to: not_a_princess
Thu, 11-20-2008 - 8:44am

 

I'm a vaccinating,

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Registered: 04-09-2008
In reply to: not_a_princess
Thu, 11-20-2008 - 9:13am
No really, I won't. I respect your opinion and you're entitled to it. I survivied CP and Measles just fine. Our former pedi whom is holistic has offered his assistance should something occur of which I as a mother cannot handle. We have a healthy life style (for the most part) so I honestly don't worry or live in perpetual fear.
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Rands

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Registered: 11-09-2007
In reply to: not_a_princess
Thu, 11-20-2008 - 9:34am

Erm, there are other illnesses that we vaccine for other than measles and chicken pox. Unless you do vaccinate against polio, diphtheria, and other deady illnesses.


BTW, I survived CP as well, I had terrible multiple outbreaks, leaving scars on my face and body, and the doctors believe that my extreme case of CP is what led to having shingles at a young age. Just because you survive something, doesn't mean that your kids should have to go through it as well.

mrsvanoven


 

I'm a vaccinating,

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Registered: 04-09-2008
In reply to: not_a_princess
Thu, 11-20-2008 - 10:26am
I'm aware of what we vaccinate for, it's pretty easy these days to find out ACIP's recommendations.

Rands

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Registered: 11-09-2007
In reply to: not_a_princess
Thu, 11-20-2008 - 10:39am

I'm aware of what we vaccinate for,


Well, the only illnesses you mentioned in your previous post were measles and chicken pox (obviously not up there on the list of dangerous vaccinated illnesses), so I'm confused as to why you mentioned THOSE but not actual deady illnesses/viruses.


People can do lots of things and use their faith/beliefs as their reason, it doesn't concern me in the least, but I don't have to agree with it.

mrsvanoven


 

I'm a vaccinating,

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Registered: 04-09-2008
In reply to: not_a_princess
Thu, 11-20-2008 - 10:50am

I'm sorry - I had the flu too. My mother also thinks I had whooping cough but she can't remember.

Rands

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Registered: 06-05-2008
In reply to: not_a_princess
Thu, 11-20-2008 - 12:37pm

Kinda irks me when people tell me my reasons for choosing not to vaccinate at this time. Their reason is that I'm relying on their kids being vaxed. Guess what. They are wrong.

Have a nice day.

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Registered: 11-09-2007
In reply to: not_a_princess
Thu, 11-20-2008 - 12:57pm

Well. You are. If everyone in America stopped vaccinating, these diseases WOULD come back, like they have in countries that don't vaccinate like we do. Children would die.


Thanks to us, your kids have a much lower risk.

mrsvanoven


 

I'm a vaccinating,

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