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Thu, 11-20-2008 - 7:34am

I posted this on another board and wanted to see what reactions (and feathers got ruffled) over here. I'm wondering if there are more anti-vaccinating or more pro-vaccinating women over here...


If you were to talk to grandparents and great-grandparents who had to deal with losing childhood friends to diseases and illnesses that we vaccinate and have under control today, they think everyone who doesn't is c-r-a-z-y for not. It's too bad that it may take hundreds of children dying per year for people to realize that vaccines aren't from the devil.


Also, it has always irked me that those who choose not to vaccinate rely on my kids being vaccinated (and everyone else's kids who are) to keep their succeptible children from becoming seriously sick. I mean if EVERYONE in America stopped vaccinating, hundreds of kids WOULD get sick and WOULD die. Period. There really is no debate there. So yes, it bugs me that MY oh-so-horrible-vaccination on my kids keeps those who aren't safer.

mrsvanoven


 

I'm a vaccinating,

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Registered: 04-09-2008
In reply to: not_a_princess
Thu, 11-20-2008 - 1:07pm

And, I totally agree with you. They sleep easy on the herd immunity that my child helps to provide. They seem to think these diseases are mild.


****I say again, all I know that don't vaccinate don't live in perpetual fear, so by vaccinating your child(ren) is really of no concern to neither myself nor any of my friends whom also don't vaccinate. I myself sleep easy because I'm tired at the end of the day; false pretenses does nothing for my comfort.****


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Registered: 04-09-2008
In reply to: not_a_princess
Thu, 11-20-2008 - 1:11pm

Well, thanks I guess for doing what you do so those of us that don't care can have something to look forward to on Independence day.


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Registered: 01-03-2006
In reply to: not_a_princess
Thu, 11-20-2008 - 1:14pm

I think your post is missing some important facts. First of all, a lot of these dieases you mention were all ready declining before vaccines. That was attributed to better nutrition, and cleaner water. Vaccines are not the SOLE reason for a decline.


Another thng to look at is how many vaccines these kids get. I think when I was a kid I got 5-7 vaccines before I go to school. These kids now a days can get up to 36, and add on the flu shot once a year, and then for the girls let's add another 3 for HPV. When will it stop? How defective our own immune systems that we need all these vaccines? Another thing is why are there toxins, including mercury? Why are kids injected so many times with ingredients that are harmful? Why are they not required to list ingredients?


I'll also tell you you do not hear the vaccine injuries because a LOT of them go unreported. A lot of the info you receive is altered, and the truth gets hidden in the lies of man. why don't the Amish community who do not vaccinate have high instances of polio, and these other diseases? What is their infant death rate?

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Registered: 10-18-2007
In reply to: not_a_princess
Thu, 11-20-2008 - 1:50pm

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Actually, no I don't.

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Registered: 06-05-2008
In reply to: not_a_princess
Thu, 11-20-2008 - 2:01pm
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Registered: 11-09-2007
In reply to: not_a_princess
Thu, 11-20-2008 - 2:05pm

why don't the Amish community who do not vaccinate have high instances of polio, and these other diseases


Amish do vaccinate. My BIL in college worked at a clinic where they gave cheap vaccines to the Amish (along with other medications).


I think your post is missing some important facts. First of all, a lot of these dieases you mention were all ready declining before vaccines. That was attributed to better nutrition, and cleaner water. Vaccines are not the SOLE reason for a decline.


The height of the polio epidemic was in 1952. By this time, doctors WERE using sterile tools, handwashing was encouraged, and nutrition/water was clean.


Diphtheria reached it's height in the 1920's. Again, not the hand sanitizing, Lysol age that we live in now, but by the way YOU make it sound, it was the 1800's or something.


Also, you can believe that we are clean all you want...kids aren't and they are who these vaccines are protecting against.


I didn't know there was a rotavirus vaccine. I attended an IVillage get together with a bunch of moms from our playgroup. There were over 30 kids there. There was simply no way we could keep them from swapping sippies/pacifiers/etc. One must have had rotavirus...in the end:


20 infants had rotavirus


10 moms had rotavirus


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I'm a vaccinating,

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Registered: 01-03-2006
In reply to: not_a_princess
Thu, 11-20-2008 - 2:21pm

"why don't the Amish community who do not vaccinate have high instances of polio, and these other diseases"


I was reffering to the Amish community who do not vaccinate. I understand more and more Amish are vaccinating. There is still a large population that does not vaccinate. They DO NOt have near as high incidences of autism, allergies, asthma, etc according to the research done by Dan Olsted. To me, if we really want to see what will happen if we don't vaccinate here in the US, et's go examine a population that does not. Seems pretty logical to me.


BTW, you never answered any of my questions about the toxins in th vaccines. Does that not concern you. If you believe in vaccinating, wouldn't you want better ingredients in the vaccines?


I am also curious to what you believe is causing the increases in autism?


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Registered: 11-09-2007
In reply to: not_a_princess
Thu, 11-20-2008 - 2:28pm

BTW, you never answered any of my questions about the toxins in th vaccines. Does that not concern you. If you believe in vaccinating, wouldn't you want better ingredients in the vaccines?


I'm perfectly happy with vaccines the way they are now. :) They may not be perfect, but I would much rather my kids be vaccinated than the hell I went through with rotavirus/chicken pox and the real possiblity of contracting deadly illnesses.


I am also curious to what you believe is causing the increases in autism?


I have my personal opinons on that, none of which link autism to vaccines, so for me, further discussion of what causes autism is moot on a board pertaining to vaccines. My theory (shared by many others) tends to ruffle feathers and even hurt feelings, and that is not my goal.

mrsvanoven


 

I'm a vaccinating,

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Registered: 12-14-2005
In reply to: not_a_princess
Thu, 11-20-2008 - 5:15pm

"If you were to talk to grandparents and great-grandparents who had to deal with losing childhood friends to diseases and illnesses that we vaccinate and have under control today, they think everyone who doesn't is c-r-a-z-y for not."

My grandparents are still around and my father is 82 - they don't know anyone who died from a VPD or was left with a disability from a VPD and I was born in a third world country.

So when I talk to my grandparents or even my father, they don't think we are crazy - particularly given they witnessed the AEs my daughter had to vaccination. They'd think I was crazy if I vaccinated her again as would her Doctor.

"Also, it has always irked me that those who choose not to vaccinate rely on my kids being vaccinated (and everyone else's kids who are) to keep their succeptible children from becoming seriously sick."

You are assuming that fact, do you have proof? I don't rely on ANYONE to keep my child healthy. I rely on healthy eating, exercise, organic food, reduced toxins in the household, proper handwashing, etc.






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Registered: 12-14-2005
In reply to: not_a_princess
Thu, 11-20-2008 - 5:17pm

"you'll fear the disease."

You'll find I am not a fan of fear-mongering. Particularly given I have had CP, measles, mumps and rubella and am just fine.






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