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Thu, 11-20-2008 - 7:34am

I posted this on another board and wanted to see what reactions (and feathers got ruffled) over here. I'm wondering if there are more anti-vaccinating or more pro-vaccinating women over here...


If you were to talk to grandparents and great-grandparents who had to deal with losing childhood friends to diseases and illnesses that we vaccinate and have under control today, they think everyone who doesn't is c-r-a-z-y for not. It's too bad that it may take hundreds of children dying per year for people to realize that vaccines aren't from the devil.


Also, it has always irked me that those who choose not to vaccinate rely on my kids being vaccinated (and everyone else's kids who are) to keep their succeptible children from becoming seriously sick. I mean if EVERYONE in America stopped vaccinating, hundreds of kids WOULD get sick and WOULD die. Period. There really is no debate there. So yes, it bugs me that MY oh-so-horrible-vaccination on my kids keeps those who aren't safer.

mrsvanoven


 

I'm a vaccinating,

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Registered: 12-14-2005
In reply to: not_a_princess
Thu, 11-27-2008 - 3:29pm

Oh did you also know that helmets have expiry dates (just like car seats)?

The compounds break down over time - so it's not a good idea to keep passing them down because they lose their effectiveness.






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Registered: 04-28-2007
In reply to: not_a_princess
Fri, 11-28-2008 - 7:56pm

"My theory (shared by many others) tends to ruffle feathers and even hurt feelings, and that is not my goal."

Well as you gave us a glimpse of that, what theory out there could possibly hurt feelings? Some of the prevailing belief systems as to the rise in Autism are (in no particular order), vaccines, environmental toxins, viral infection causing brain inflammation, genetics, birth induction using pitocin, vitamin d deficiency, mitochondrial disorder, better diagnostics, to name but a few.

How would any of those hurt someone's feelings or ruffle feathers. They are all valid theories, and all have their merits and deficits. I personally am of the persuasion that you bring a genetically predisposed child to a trigger such as above and you are asking for trouble. Autism is genetic in my family (as is depression, bipolar disorder, personality disorder and genius IQ -the latter I sadly did not inherit, merely very superior intelligence;)

I was born and raised in Ireland and the only vaccines I received before emigrating to the States was oral polio. My mother declined Dtp due to fears of vaccine injury from the pertussis portion (babies were seizing to death at the time). During my childhood I caught and now am immune to CP, Measles, mumps and rubella. I don't have a pox mark to show for it. When I moved to the States I was forced by INS to receive the MMR, polio, tetanus and diphtheria toxoids, pertussis, influenza type b as well as hepatitis B, as I had no records of what I had received as a child due to multiple moves. I did not know I actually had a choice here and it was strongly intimated if I fought INS on this it would be considered a "red flag." I was terrorised into getting all these shots, which I did in one day. I was severely ill for days after.

I conceived ds#1 six months later and now at age 8 he is considered high functioning autistic. I know when he received his CP and MMR together at 15 months he regressed with speech and eye contact for a while, but to this day I question the multiple vaccines forced upon my body by a beurocratic system that could simply have asked me if I wanted titers drawn, thus reducing the amount of vaccines I would have "needed." Keep in mind, this was mid 1999 and there was plenty of thimerosol floating around.

I do understand that belief systems about complex ideology such as vaccination is markedly formed in the fires of experience. You had a horrible experience with CP, thus your choice to vaccinate your children. I have two boys with IEP's for Autism due to our experience with vaccines, hence my choice to protect them from further injury and my dd from any injury.

So again I ask, what terrible theory could you possibly own that explains my children's neurological disorders?

Dee

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Registered: 01-03-2006
In reply to: not_a_princess
Fri, 11-28-2008 - 9:36pm

"I am curious about something, though----


If you trust so much in your child's vaccines "protecting" him, why are you so concerned whether or not MY child is unvaccinated?

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Registered: 07-05-2005
In reply to: not_a_princess
Fri, 11-28-2008 - 9:57pm

Obviously you don't understand how vaccines work. That is repeatedly clear.

They aren't 100% all the time for a variety of reasons. But, if you vaccinate enough children the "herd protection" causes disease transmission to drop, thus protecting those whose immunity is not complete. I don't want your unvaccinated child around mine because of the potential risk it poses. All outbreaks of vaccine preventable disease in this country in the last 20-30 years started among an unvaccinated population and then spread. While the burden of disease was primarily among the unvaccinated, it ALWAYS spread to at least a small number of people who were vaccinated, as well as some that were unvaccinated but not by choice (such as babies or the immuno-compromised that were unable to get vaccinated).

So, no, I'm not a "silly parent" and I sure don't appreciate your flippant tone towards people who take an opposing viewpoint. We may be on different sides of the issue but we all do it because this is what we think is the best thing for our child. I believe in vaccines. And, I understand the science behind them. Even WITH vaccines around I chose not to have unvaccinated children around my own because I think these diseases are something I don't want my kids to get nor do I want to see other children get them. The bottom line is - when we stop vaccinating in large numbers these diseases will again run rampant through our communities. Then, I suspect quite a few people will get a first hand glimpse of why we started vaccinating in the first place.

While I feel for those parents with children with autism and hope for a cure or medical breakthrough, I personally do not buy into the theories that link vaccines with autism. I can only imagine though what you all must be going through and wish you the best though.

Amy


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Registered: 04-28-2007
In reply to: not_a_princess
Sat, 11-29-2008 - 11:55am

"Obviously you don't understand how vaccines work. That is repeatedly clear."

Now who's being flippant?

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Registered: 10-18-2007
In reply to: not_a_princess
Sat, 11-29-2008 - 1:23pm

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Or the diseases just

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Registered: 07-05-2005
In reply to: not_a_princess
Sat, 11-29-2008 - 2:50pm

"Or the diseases just go undetected and spread quietly until an unvaccinated person gets it"

Can you provide some citations on that - meaning, peer reviewed literature? The concept that vaccinated people are "spreading disease" but "just aren't showing symptoms"....

Thanks,
Amy


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Registered: 04-28-2007
In reply to: not_a_princess
Sat, 11-29-2008 - 3:08pm

"The concept that vaccinated people are "spreading disease" but "just aren't showing symptoms".

It's called shedding and it appears more often than people realise. For example there was an outbreak of CP at my ds's school 2 years ago. The culprit was a recently vaccinated child who went into school and shed the virus from the vaccine. Granted this isn't the "peer reviewed literature" you crave but it happened and the health department in Cherokee County, GA confirmed it, as the strain of CP was vaccine strain and NOT the wild strain, thus it had to stem from a freshly vaccinated child. Oh and most of the children who became ill were all supposedly vaccinated themselves. My son was not and he has only ever received one CP vaccine, the same day he also received his MMR and spiked a screaming fever and ceased to communicate and make eye contact for week thereafter.

Perhaps he had developed immunity from that one shot or perhaps he was lucky, who knows, but the fact remains there was an outbreak and it started with a needle.

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Registered: 01-03-2006
In reply to: not_a_princess
Sat, 11-29-2008 - 3:18pm

I think your creating this tone about me, like I'm posting mad. most of the time I am smiling, it's just my sense of humor. You are right there is some bad marketing going on out there and people trying to sell things that are ineffective and harmful, and I believe Kevin Trudeau is a wolf in sheep's clothing.


I try to build rapport with people and I am glad that I can call Dr. Boyd Haley and he will return my call and sit an talk with for for a couple of hours. I may not know how vaccines work, because I wonder if they work in the first place. I just don't see how you can put crap in a child's system and expect good things? Just my opinion, I am not scientist, doctor, etc. I am just a person seeking the truth in this world filled with lies and deceptions. I alos believe in God, my beliefs are not always based on science, sometimes they go on my convictions, my spirit and soul. I read the bible and I get some of my knowledge there.


If your interested, Dr. Weston Price wrote a book called Nutrition and Physical Degenration, he studied different cultures based on their eating habbits and living conditions and come up with some interesting conclusions, worth the read and a quick look through. It iwas written from a dentist trying to see how the health of other cultures teeth. Here is a free copy of the book! You have to respect someone who is willing to go out and seek truth and who does not rely on science alone.


http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200251h.html


I would also reccomend you watch the 11th Hour, great movie about all the toxins on the Earth, our diet, govt., and how we treat the Earth.


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Registered: 10-18-2007
In reply to: not_a_princess
Sat, 11-29-2008 - 4:18pm

Asymptomatic infection is not a novel concept.

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