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Thu, 11-20-2008 - 7:34am

I posted this on another board and wanted to see what reactions (and feathers got ruffled) over here. I'm wondering if there are more anti-vaccinating or more pro-vaccinating women over here...


If you were to talk to grandparents and great-grandparents who had to deal with losing childhood friends to diseases and illnesses that we vaccinate and have under control today, they think everyone who doesn't is c-r-a-z-y for not. It's too bad that it may take hundreds of children dying per year for people to realize that vaccines aren't from the devil.


Also, it has always irked me that those who choose not to vaccinate rely on my kids being vaccinated (and everyone else's kids who are) to keep their succeptible children from becoming seriously sick. I mean if EVERYONE in America stopped vaccinating, hundreds of kids WOULD get sick and WOULD die. Period. There really is no debate there. So yes, it bugs me that MY oh-so-horrible-vaccination on my kids keeps those who aren't safer.

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Registered: 10-18-2007
In reply to: not_a_princess
Sun, 11-30-2008 - 3:37am

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And I'll side with Mother Nature.

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Registered: 10-18-2007
In reply to: not_a_princess
Sun, 11-30-2008 - 3:44am

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Exactly.

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In reply to: not_a_princess
Sun, 11-30-2008 - 8:24am

"I posted this on another board and wanted to see what reactions (and feathers got ruffled) over here. I'm wondering if there are more anti-vaccinating or more pro-vaccinating women over here..."

Has that been answered yet?

"If you were to talk to grandparents and great-grandparents who had to deal with losing childhood friends to diseases and illnesses that we vaccinate and have under control today, they think everyone who doesn't is c-r-a-z-y for not."

I'm a grandparent, and I didn't lose any childhood friends to disease. And I don't recall ever hearing about any rampant diseasing killing off anyone back then. I asked my parents who were in their late 70's if they recall anyone epidemics where children were dying when they were growing up, nope, couldn't think of anything. In fact, my mom was quite surprised they were now vaccinating for measles. So was I, being that it wasn't a big deal when it swept through our family, much like the chickenpox.

I am sure I am older than you, and I have lived through some of the times that you only hear about, and I am hear to tell you that you are a victim of the fear mongering that is used to push the vaccines.

"It's too bad that it may take hundreds of children dying per year for people to realize that vaccines aren't from the devil."

Yes, only the devil would want us to inject neurotoxins into our infants multiple times in their first year of life.

"Also, it has always irked me that those who choose not to vaccinate rely on my kids being vaccinated (and everyone else's kids who are) to keep their succeptible children from becoming seriously sick."

The vaccine status of others had absolutely nothing to do with my decision to not vaccinate. What had everything to do with my decision was watching my fat chubby 7.5 month old infant waste away before my eyes following a round of routine vaccines.

" I mean if EVERYONE in America stopped vaccinating, hundreds of kids WOULD get sick and WOULD die. Period."

Where is your evidence for that ridiculous statement?

" There really is no debate there. So yes, it bugs me that MY oh-so-horrible-vaccination on my kids keeps those who aren't safer."

I don't think your children pumped up with disease via vaccine are doing anything to protect my children, in fact, they are more than likely putting my children at risk.

You know what really irks me, people with two good lungs who smoke, while my child only has one lung to fight off second hand smoke,

and mothers who "choose" not to breastfeed because it "isn't for them".

What does not irk me, is a parent deciding what they feel is best for their CHILDREN.

Do you even know the shots your children are being given?

Do you know how many doses one had to get in 1930 before going to school?

1950?

1987?

2000?

2008?

See if you can throw out a few wild guesses.....would like to see your answers.

Also, please let me know # of cases/deaths prior to each vaccine being licensed.

Thank you.


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Registered: 09-13-2008
In reply to: not_a_princess
Sun, 11-30-2008 - 6:02pm

How do you separate your child from those that are not vaccinated?

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In reply to: not_a_princess
Sun, 11-30-2008 - 8:18pm

"My last question is, are YOU up-to-date on all of YOUR vaccines??? I'm not nor will I ever be."

You've asked this before and I've answered it before. Yes, I am.

"How do you separate your child from those that are not vaccinated? Do you not take them to the mall play area or the playground? What about grocery carts? Elevator buttons? Escalator rails? Items in a store? School? "

I said I didn't want my kids around kids who were unvaccinated. I didn't say I separated them. And, of course, I can't tell the difference, they aren't marked, you know. Honestly, we don't have ANY close friends who have children who are skipping vaccines. It may be because most of our friends have the same values and parenting style as we do. Who knows...it hasn't been an issue. I guess at the point that it is I'll have to make a decision.

I do have two nephews who were unvaccinated for a period of time. I still had them over and attended their functions only because they were family. But, I didn't like it and I made my viewpoints known. Had these boys been unrelated to me it probably would have boiled down to fundamental differences in parenting style and we would have had to part ways. Luckily, they did end up vaccinating the first and have been pretty much on schedule with the second.

I don't allow my children to play in the homes of children whose parents smoke either. Because I have a child with asthma and I also fundamentally think it's a poor health decision, not to mention the health impact of second hand smoke even for brief periods of time.

I also wouldn't want my children to hang around families who beat their children - that just isn't how we chose to discipline our kids and we really would rather our kids not see another child spanked. Again, a fundamental parenting difference.

Does that mean I "separate" my children? No, how silly. But, it does mean that I chose not to expose my children to those situations when I have control over them. If my child was invited to play at the home of an unvaccinated friend and I knew about it....well, honestly, I'm not sure I'd let him go. I'd really have to think about it...

"It's not like those of us that do not vaccinate have to wear signs on our foreheads or a special button. "

LOL - hey, that's not a bad idea! I smell new legislation in the air, hehe...I know how you love government mandates....


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Registered: 04-28-2007
In reply to: not_a_princess
Sun, 11-30-2008 - 9:16pm

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Please oh please tell me you aren't equating non vaccination to physical child abuse??? Would you consider the parents of a child who has had seizure activity after routine vaccines and then decline further vaccines to also be inept parents?

You seem so stoic in your belief system; flexibility is a strong ally too.

Dee

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Registered: 07-05-2005
In reply to: not_a_princess
Sun, 11-30-2008 - 9:38pm

You are missing the point entirely. ENTIRELY.

Sigh.

I'm making a point about parenting decisions and what I chose to expose my child to or not when I have control over it.

Geez.

And, I am flexible. However, just like you I have strong convictions about how I chose to parent. One might very well call you stoic as well.

You don't know me so how about you stop the personal comments? This is why I need to stop posting on here entirely. Too much drama and blowing things out of proportion.


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Registered: 09-13-2008
In reply to: not_a_princess
Sun, 11-30-2008 - 9:48pm

I would think that knowing your opinion on the subject if I were a family member or friend of yours, I would not tell you anything about my child's health information.

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Registered: 04-28-2007
In reply to: not_a_princess
Sun, 11-30-2008 - 10:38pm

I didn't believe I was being personal; just taking what you state on a debate forum and rebutting. You used the abusive parent analogy to back up your decision in your own parenting style in terms of vaccination. If I were to vet all parents around me and wait until I found the perfect match....I'd be waiting a long long time....oh and be missing possible positive interactions too. My bff is pro vaccine, pro circ and pro Republican. I am not on all 3 counts ( I notice you to are anti circ; we may have a connection too); we are still best friends. Out connection is disabled children.

Dee :)

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Registered: 04-09-2008
In reply to: not_a_princess
Mon, 12-01-2008 - 10:11am
Hi Dee - I just had to comment on your post. I'm glad you're in this discussion - I find your thoughts/writings rationale and civil. You are completely correct that most base their decision (on anything) on past experience, which I don't think is wrong either way. I also believe many base their decisions on fear, which can also go in either direction. Fortunately, in this day and age we have a lot more access at our fingertips to aide in our decisions. I'm sorry you had the experience you had coming to the US - you are correct, it was unneccessary. Glad to have you here, and FWIW, I believe you inherited a great deal of your family's latter traits. ;-)
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