Hib Alert: 5 Cases, 1 Death

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Sat, 01-24-2009 - 1:38am

Hib Alert: 5 Cases, 1 Death

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) today announced that five cases of Haemophilus influenzae, type b (Hib), invasive disease (meningitis, pneumonia and epiglottitis) were confirmed in 2008 in Minnesota. This is the highest number of cases of this vaccine-preventable disease in children under 5 years of age that Minnesota has seen since 1991.

Three patients had received no vaccinations due to parent or guardian deferral or refusal of vaccinations. One of the unimmunized patients, a 7-month-old infant, died of Hib disease. Two of the remaining children received age-appropriate immunizations. One child, a 5-month-old, had received two Hib immunizations. The other child was 15 months old and was fully vaccinated for age but, subsequent to Hib infection, was diagnosed with an immune deficiency (hypogammaglobulinemia).

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I'm just going to let the article stand as it is. Can't wait to see what justification and reasoning the anti-vaccine crowd has to say about this.

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Registered: 04-09-2008
Thu, 05-21-2009 - 3:55pm
NOt really, but, it's the way my mind works - I was worked up and in one train of thought at that post.... fortunately, love Lynn, she posted it.... (see 13 y/o w/ cancer link".
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Rands

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Thu, 05-21-2009 - 3:24pm

Have you lost your train of thought? We do have a section for off topic discussion you know :) I hope its there, if not please do post it.

And if anybody on this board lacts "tact" Jamie, I would say you would be the last one anyone thought that of.

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Registered: 04-09-2008
Tue, 05-19-2009 - 12:42pm
Does anyone care if I vent and go O/T - but not quite O/T from Jamie's post? Respond quick if you do before I lose the train of thought.... The Supreme Court BLOWS my mind.
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Rands

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Registered: 10-18-2007
Mon, 05-18-2009 - 11:16am

I'm sorry Heather, I didn't think I was attacking anyone? I think the death of a child is insurmountably tragic, and feel awful for anyone that is forced to endure the loss of their own.

Bacterial vaccines are a bit complicated. Pertussis vaccine specifically doesn't prevent transmission anyway, at least that's what I gather from available evidence. It may make symptoms less severe, but I don't see how that helps the compromised population that are either more susceptible, or cannot be vaccinated.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/extract/104/6/1381

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol6no5/pdf/srugo.pdf

There are a couple of other things to consider with this vaccine too. I'm not aware of any good evidence that shows this vaccine promotes clearance of pertussis.

And I've always been troubled by polio statistics... and polio incidence. There was a rather sweeping change to diagnostic criteria that literally erased what would have been previously diagnosed. And then there's the cutter incident... *shudder*

Anyway, I'm sorry if you felt I was attacking. I think it was the other way around, but I do acknowledge that I lack tact at times. I'm working on that.

Jamie

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Sun, 05-17-2009 - 9:48pm

I'm sorry, I just can't let this go. If you read a Tylenol label which suggested that it could cause death - would you give it to your baby? Did you know that even the package insert for the HIB vaccine mentions the risk of SIDS? (If you don't know what SIDS is, it's a catch-all phrase for death which occurs after vaccine but we'll leave the vaccine part out and pretend it just *happens*.) Thanks to the HPV we'll soon see an adult acronym for SIDS. (The military likely already has one but I guess it doesn't fit the general public.)

The package insert also says this: "As with any vaccine, vaccination with ActHIB vaccine reconstituted with Sanofi Pasteur Inc. DTP or ActHIB vaccine reconstituted with Tripedia vaccine TriHIBit vaccine) or 0.4% Sodium Chloride diluent may not protect 100% of individuals.

"may not protect 100% of individuals." Did you know that? Is it really worth the risk? I think I'll risk the HIB...isn't that a bacteria found in your nose on any given day?

There is also research suggesting that this vaccine is causing a rise in Type 1 Diabetes. This is from the "Vaccine Safety Manual" and Miller's source was the "British Medical Journal":

"At age 7, there were 54 more cases per 100,000 children in the group that received four doses of the HIB vaccine when compared to the group that received no doses - a 26 percent increase! At age 10, there were 58 more cases per 100,000 children in the group that received four doses of the HIB vaccine when compared to the group that received no doses."

Diabetes! Do you expect your pediatrician to tell you that? Does your pediatrician even know about it? Most likely they know what they learned in med school but keeping up with every new study is not required. In med school, studying the vaccines was not so much required either! Wouldn't you think the pharma-scientist would be looking at such data though? No, because if they don't look then they can use phrases such as "has not been detected" and then wash their hands of the whole thing. It happens more often than you want to know.

This is in three parts and totally worth the read, it will give you a whole new perspective:

http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/2008/01/31/sisyphus-and-the-conjugate-vaccines/

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Sun, 05-17-2009 - 9:00pm

“Vaccines are NOT catch-all, cure-all treatments.”

No, they are not “treatments” at all. Pharmaceuticals usually aren’t.

“They just reduce the risk of contracting certain diseases.”

They also INCREASE the risk of contracting certain diseases.

“While I completely agree that some are unnecessary (Chicken Pox, HPV...really?!), vaccines like polio and pertusis have saved countless children's lives.”

No they haven’t. Where do people get this stuff from? In order for a vaccine to “save lives” the disease would need to be a fatal one – those two are not. Neither Polio nor Pertussis is typically fatal in a healthy child > age 2. Polio is treatable, this is 2009, not 1909. Pertussis is rarely deadly in toddlers or adults in this country or any other developed country. The vaccine for Pertussis, however, is another story. The use of the vaccine has INCREASED the Hib-Meningitis mortality rates. (Source: Mortality statistics, Japanese Ministry of Health.) So maybe if you had more facts and information, you would completely agree that many other vaccines are “unnecessary”.

“This article should not be a reason to attack either side, it should be a reason to see that both sides may have a point!”

This is a debate board, we don’t attack, we do debate. Maybe both sides do have a point but parents have to decide to vaccinate, to selectively vaccinate, to delay, or to forgo the vaccines. When I hear the other side, it makes me want to puke because my side is not in it for the money, the lying side is! When I learned that I had been deceived, I stopped believing in the other side so as far as I’m concerned, that side has NO valid arguments. Now if we’re discussing history, that’s another story, but like I said, this ain’t 1909 and this ain’t no third-world country. I don’t need to pretend that it is to make my points, the other side...it’s all they got going for ‘um.

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Sun, 05-17-2009 - 6:32pm

Maybe you should read a bit closer (slower)...because there are no "attacks" here. We are not about attacking. *My* side is about offering facts. The *other* side tries to refute them and most often does not.

So which side is doing the attacking? The side that said this perhaps:

"Can't wait to see what justification and reasoning the anti-vaccine crowd has to say about this."

Asking people to justify death - is that what you mean by "attack"?

The facts are that out of 5 kids, Two vaccinated kids got exactly what they were supposedly *protected* from getting (meningitis) because their vaccines failed. All the anti-vax posts I've read in this thread are stating facts.

Another FACT is that we don't know what killed the child. Was it the vaccine-available disease? Can you prove it? How? My guess is that it could have been a wide array of things that killed the child. Like overuse and/or incorrect use of pharmaceuticals, like a mistake made, knowingly or unknowingly, by hospital staff, like an underlying condition...WE DON'T KNOW.

This disease is obviously not deadly to all who get it. Did it ever occur to you that the reason they (pro-vax side) use tactics like this to try and make you think of a disease as *deadly to all* is because it suits their needs? They have a need for you (general you) to be ignorant about this subject. It serves them well when you are...a little reading can change all that. After a while, comprehension skills become improved as well...you really should try it. :)

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Registered: 06-02-2008
Sun, 05-17-2009 - 1:07pm

Why does this have to be an attack on either side? Can't we just see this for what it is: Proof that both sides have valid arguments.


Vaccines are NOT catch-all, cure-all treatments. They just reduce the risk of contracting certain diseases. While I completely agree that some are unnecessary (Chicken Pox, HPV...really?!), vaccines like polio and pertussis have saved countless children's lives. This article should not be a reason to attack either side, it should be a reason to see that both sides may have a point!

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Registered: 10-18-2007
Tue, 01-27-2009 - 11:38pm

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This was listed in the MMWR, but the status of "unvaccinated" doesn't really say much. Unvaccinated entirely, Hib, etc..

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I was talking about the 2132 reported adverse events which includes 42 deaths, in a single year that don't appear to get the same sympathy from the pro-vaccine camp. Vaccinated kids are just as capable of spreading disease to your more susceptible child. Unvaccinated kids likely show more symptoms and are more likely to be kept out of the herd (in general). Asymptomatic carriage of Hib in particular is more common than you think.

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Tue, 01-27-2009 - 10:54pm

we know absolutely nothing about the immune status of the child.


The one child had an immune def, the others did not. We know this b/c each infected child would have had a immune work up to determine possible

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