Hib Shortage---Question---Concerned

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Hib Shortage---Question---Concerned
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Tue, 06-23-2009 - 8:19pm
Hello everyone.
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Wed, 06-24-2009 - 10:05pm

pc= pneumococcus

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Wed, 06-24-2009 - 9:28pm

pc? Sorry, I'm multi-multi tasking again, it causes the brain to malfunction lol! I'm sure it's one I know...

I'll be back tomorrow, I'm off to watch our president and all his glory tell us about how more spending will magically fix our broken beyond repair healthcare system. The husband made popcorn, I can't wait!!!

I'll be back after I get a chance to read a little about Hib.

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Wed, 06-24-2009 - 9:14pm

Are you nursing? Breastfeeding does have a protective effect against invasive Hib. I'd probably not be concerned, and would likely not pursue the booster... but that's just me.

It's probably worth noting (as crunchy began to, but stopped) that there is some interspecies competition between Hib and S. pneumoniae (and also between s. pneumoniae and s. aureus). The well-intentioned, preventative action of inoculating to remove a single pathogen most assuredly has untoward effects on the microbial populations in the human organism. They are a remarkably complex ecosystem, constantly working together (and against) to maintain homeostasis.

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Wed, 06-24-2009 - 9:03pm
Ah yes the trickle effect, I have read somewhat in depth into this topic.

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Wed, 06-24-2009 - 8:51pm

Actually I was speaking tongue and cheek :)

I thought Hib was for the same disease as Menactra...I guess all this talk about both and I've got my facts crossed. I need to pay better attention. I need to make myself a spreadsheet so I can see the two side-by-side.

"Personally I wonder why that is- why other countries choose to opt out of this one. I have been waiting to come across the reasoning-"

I *can* answer that one! :)

Hib is not a threat in developed countries where homes are clean and disease doesn't have optimal opportunity. Because other countries were not using the other vaccines as often as we do in the states, nor were they using as *many* vaccines, or on the same age groups...the cases of Hib in those countries never spiked like they did here.

They spiked here because of mass vaccination (for twice as many diseases as those other countries vaccinated for).

I'll try to find some information about it but somewhere along the line, one vaccine led to another, led to another, led to another...

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Wed, 06-24-2009 - 4:15pm
Thanks for the welcome

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Wed, 06-24-2009 - 3:27pm

Now I'm wondering which vaccines *don't* have that tendency to cause GBS - all of them do?

You showed up out of nowhere luvemymunkaman --- I'm so glad you're here! Did any of us even welcome you to the board? If not - Welcome to the board!!! Also, erinsunshine7 - welcome to the board too! If you have questions, we won't be offended if you ask the *other* board and then ask us too :) We can even explain how fancy wording is deceitful and point out to you why the studies can lead you to believe lies. We can't explain why they waste so much money in their deceit...but we can sure point out the deceit!

I feel that the OP should just forget about the vaccine until her child is a teen and entering college. Then reconsider...unless she's learned enough to make her know better by that time ;).

OP - just consider that my generation survived without that vaccine and we're still kickin' :) . You should know though, that the reason is because the disease wasn't around back then - not in the numbers we were seeing just a few short years ago. The disease increased in numbers at one time and there's plenty of reason to believe it was caused by one or more vaccines. The need for new vaccines comes around when old vaccines create the need for the new vaccines...it's the same with any pharmaceuticals.

I never worry about my kids getting such a rare disease - you shouldn't either. And do consider all the diseases we don't have a vaccine for - also consider that some of those diseases died out because of changes (improvements) in our living conditions :) .

Learn what I know and you'll think "Vaccines ain't all that". You are the victim of hearsay and groupspeak. Just like me and every one else :) (at one time or another). Learn what your doctor does not know and wouldn't tell you if he did - that changes everything!

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Wed, 06-24-2009 - 1:27pm
hi, I am not trying to be impertinent but in general doctors do not tend to question the vaccine program and follow it blindly, sometimes to the detriment of their patients. This disregard for the individual patient sometimes brings on a strong emotional reaction from some people (like crunchy and myself). The fact is that HIB is so incredibly rare in children over the age 3 it is virtually unheard of (pre and post vaccine introduction). The rates now are so low that the chance your child will contract a serious case of HIB after the age of three is so slim I can not even begin to type out the statistics. Just an FYI about the vaccine- in clinical trials more babies who received the vaccine caught a serious case of HIB than those that were unvaccinated. HIB is now extremely rare so continued vaccination is simply to keep it out of the population (at least according to the honest medical community) not to necessarily protect each child that receives it from the disease itself. (BTW Crunchy the HIB vaccine does cause Guillain Barre) To answer your question OP the vaccine booster is given between 12 and 15 months to provide that additional protection (in case the vaccine has already started to wane or did not take the first time) during the last few months where the child could potentially be vulnerable (though as I stated before the vaccine is no longer for that purpose). So if you doctor actually takes the individual into considerations said doctor will not booster, but I doubt that is the case and your child will probably be given a meaningless shot and will be open to the complications of said shot for no reason (imo of course). I suggest you do a bit of research into this particular vaccination if you are concerned.


Edited 6/24/2009 1:59 pm ET by lovemymunkaman

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Tue, 06-23-2009 - 11:24pm

They are never "fully protected" and whatever doctor said that to you is a liar. I really get sick of this "vaccines work 100% of the time" mentality from doctors. They must think we the general public are all too dumb to live with the truth so they lie. Ask him why they even have boosters on the schedule if the initial shot works so well?

You will get better results from asking your questions on the vaccine support board :). Sorry, but it sickens me to know that they give the first dose of this shot to such young children when they know it doesn't even work in children under the age of two. But hey, they're making money so that's all that matters.

Hib was very rare prior to mass vaccination. The need for the Hib vaccine was all started because of a different vaccine...don't even get me started.

Meningitis can be treated with antibiotics. I don't believe Diabetes can be.

Edited because I said "Guillain Barre Syndrome" where I meant to say "Diabetes". I get the Hib and the Meningococcal Vaccines mixed up. It's the Meningococcal Vaccine which causes Guillain Barre Syndrome. Hib causes Diabetes, among other things.




Edited 6/23/2009 11:40 pm ET by crunchymomto2