Hypothetical "What would you do?"

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Registered: 08-09-2009
Hypothetical "What would you do?"
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Wed, 09-09-2009 - 5:53pm

This question is for those parents that have chosen not to vaccinate based on information they have read on the interwebz.

What would you do if your child caught and died or was permanently disabled from a disease that they were supposed to be vaccinated against early in life?

Who would you blame? Would you try to sue someone?

I'm not trying to flame anyone for their choices, but I've always wondered this "what if". Just as I'm free to choose to vax my child, everyone else is free to not to.

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iVillage Member
Registered: 07-17-2005
Sun, 09-20-2009 - 2:51pm
When the vaccine fails and the child gets the disease and dies --- who should be sued then?
iVillage Member
Registered: 07-17-2005
Sun, 09-20-2009 - 2:57pm

"However, I think that's a load of hooey because a pharma company shouldn't make sunshine and rainbow promises to parents without emphasizing the dangers as much as the pros."

I don't even know what to say to that.

It's a long and complicated story, stick around and you'll get to the truth eventually.

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-17-2005
Sun, 09-20-2009 - 3:11pm

You'll find that all of us are very different. My name has crunchy, which to some, may indicate that I'm some activist for veggies or something...we are not vegetarians at my house :)

You'll be surprised at how different the people on this board are.

There was a time when I was naive and trusting...my partially vaccinated child is ten years old. So you can't just assume that because someone is anti-vaccine that they only eat vegetables, they circumcise their babies, or don't circumcise their babies(I didn't), or that they breast-feed (I did)...you just can't judge a book by its cover :).

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-17-2005
Sun, 09-20-2009 - 3:19pm

Our usual court systems is not where you would go with a vaccine injury. There is a special court system, its government controlled, in other words its pharma-controlled, and that is where you would go if you have any complaints with the pharma-mafia and their vaccines, a\k\a "preventative medicine".

Our US government gave the pharmaceutical companies IMMUNITY from vaccine injury lawsuits. There is a special court where you can go along with the thousands of other parents and make your claim for compensation.

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Sun, 09-20-2009 - 3:25pm
I think of bonding as plain ol "love" and its one of those things that you can't describe. Its not meant to be described and its not meant to be explained, its meant to be enjoyed. What it means is between two people, and not the same for any two.
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Registered: 07-17-2005
Sun, 09-20-2009 - 3:28pm

"A "what if" question keeps people from being too one-sided."

Its not about *being* anything! It's about facts, it's about being naive or not, it's about being LIED to and knowing it...

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-17-2005
Sun, 09-20-2009 - 5:02pm

"Just love how we tinker around with the body's ability, and attempt, to fight infection, then turn around and blame a disease when we fail (or choose the wrong methods)."

I think of that every single time someone mentions Chickenpox and every single time I hear death-by-flu statistics...what a joke!

I believe that the more I fed back-to-back Tylenol and Motrin to my son, the faster his Chickenpox worsened. He had a really really bad case by the time a doctor saw him. After dosing him like the doctor instructed me too, I happened to notice that the package said not to exceed X number of days. So I called the nurse, she told me to continue giving it until I talked to the doctor who would call me later because no, I was not to bring him into the office (I was told this repeatedly). This was my first child and I was not familiar with the Chickenpox at all, but I had an older friend who did.

Just after this experience, I read something (read it again after I got Miller's book) that explained why all the doctors in this office was asked to come by and look at my son's Chickenpox (when they FINALLY agreed to see him). It was a really big office and the first doctor asked if I would mind if others took a look. It seems that most Pediatric doctors (59% surveyed) do not know the difference in Smallpox and Chickenpox. Did my son have Smallpox or just a really bad case of Chickenpox worsened by the use of fever-reducers? Where did the Chickenpox come from? Why was he the only one who had it? He was vaccinated against Chickenpox - why did he get it???

Anyway, the only reason they finally agreed to see him was because *I* (the parent) asked them two questions: Why does he still have new ones (meaning lesions) all these weeks (yes, that's right - weeks, not days) later? And why are you telling me to continue to give him Tylenol and Motrin when the package says not to?

Not a single one of those nurses that I spoke to over the phone ever stopped to ask - Is this the same child you called about last week? And the week before??? It was me who finally made the connection that Chickenpox usually only last for about TEN DAYS and we had been going through this for weeks!

I just have to wonder how it would have all turned out had I continued to drug him...and mostly, I wonder how long his pox would have lasted had only I not given him a single dose of Tylenol or a single dose of Motrin! Good grief, didn't it dawn on me that children have survived the Chickenpox throughout history without the use of Tylenol and Motrin???

It's quite obvious to me that "death by flu" is often used instead of "death by pharmaceuticals". It's a death certificate, these numbers are used to influence so much - yet they are bogus!

I'm convinced that the only thing that allowed my son to finally get better was when my own instincts told me to stop the dosing of fever reducers...

So again --- HOW MANY people die from the flu? We don't know, do we?

Did I think about suing someone? No. Besides, I grew up with the knowledge that it's virtually impossible to sue a pharmaceutical company. Evidence be damned, even back then. Back then, there was no special vaccine court. There were only poor vaccinated injured and rich vaccinated injured. You can imagine which cases made it to the courtroom. It's even worse today, and it destroys lives.

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-17-2005
Sun, 09-20-2009 - 5:22pm

I think today's medicine is a lot about liability, less about what the human body needs.

Study "glutathione" (search this site for posts too.) Most of these came from this board, I've tried to start a collection. They are all good reads, even the whale.to articles :)

http://www.med.umich.edu/1libr/pa/pa_feverpho_hhg.htm

http://www.whale.to/m/ibupro.html

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FSZ/is_1_29/ai_n18615248

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/525169_4

http://www.adrugrecall.com/news/tylenol-danger.html

http://www.whale.to/vaccine/tylenol_depletes_glutathione.html

http://www.mothering.com/articles/growing_child/child_health/fever.html

http://www.docguide.com/news/content.nsf/news/852571020057CCF6852574DD004D070C

http://www.exploringvaccines.com/?p=36

http://www.webmd.com/baby/news/20080319/prenatal-acetaminophen-an-asthma-link?src=RSS_PUBLIC

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/820200-overview

http://www.emedicinehealth.com/acetaminophen_tylenol_poisoning/page3_em.htm#Acetaminophen%20(Tylenol)%20Poisoning%20Symptoms

http://www.hpakids.org/holistic-health/articles/162/1/Fevers

http://messageboards.ivillage.com/iv-ppvaccinedb/?msg=4492.86

http://www.whale.to/vaccine/nz_don.html

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2000/12/17/fever-flu.aspx

http://www.springerlink.com/content/v64564q5w2850278/

http://www.bio-medicine.org/medicine-news/Aspirin-and-other-NSAIDS-Proved-Less-Effective-in-Long-Term-Smokers-11888-1/

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/reprint/peds.2005-0969v1.pdf

If there's anything that doesn't apply, I apologize, I've got some organizing to do. I have more, just don't know where to find them right now.

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-17-2005
Sun, 09-20-2009 - 5:57pm

Drugs are not the only way to bring a fever down. Especially those which deplete glutathione. First, I think you need to be aware of when to use them, if at all. Fever is good, it happens for a reason. Fever reducers should never be used when a patient presents with both a rash AND a fever. ER's don't follow that rule. I know this by watching the TV show "The Doctors". He is always real careful when he (the ER doctor) talks about fever, you can tell.

Today, it's so normal to give fever reducers, I have to wonder how any scientist could ever know what un-medicated disease really looks like. The body is designed to heal itself after all.

Just like with menopause, I stopped reading about it on the web long ago because I realize that I'm not today's typical female like the ones used in the research. So how can I trust what was written about those women, when I don't fit the typical stereotype? I didn't use birth control for very long at all. Unlike most of my friends, I never had PMS until much much later in life (like now so that could be called something else)I didn't use Pitocin or epidural during childbirth, I didn't take hormones, I didn't have radical procedures done. Is there any reading that will tell me what happens to women who go through this naturally?

I think of what I believe to be happening in medical science and it's not pretty...

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-17-2005
Sun, 09-20-2009 - 6:03pm

"But I'm sure you didn't just let them fever without checking on them so I'm sure they were fine."

She likely knows more about the human body than most of us here so I'm sure they were much better off than some of our kids when they've had fever. I don't even keep NSAIDS or Tylenol in my house, I never buy the stuff. My husband picks up a pack at work and brings it home every now and then. I end up tossing them because they've expired. We do have Yarrow (root) growing, in case I need to bring a fever down, that's what I'll use. Otherwise, I'll wait it out.

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