If everyone stopped vaxing, would all

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If everyone stopped vaxing, would all
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Fri, 04-25-2003 - 7:23am
these diseases come back into our society? If so, why is it fair for some to stop vaxing? Doesn't that simply minimize unvaxed kids' risks of reactions to the vaccines while NOT raising thier risk of contracting the diseases because the majority of the kids ARE vaxed? In other words, are those of us who vax doing the unvaxers work FOR them and taking the risks FOR them since OUR kids won't spread these diseases to theirs?

I guess I have always had a fairness thing going when it comes to vaxing. We should ALL do it together. We should ALL be in the fight and not just let SOME kids do the front line fighting.

I would like to hear from the non vaxers on this one. And please don't link me to other articles. I want to know what YOU think. Do you think that non vaxing is fair to those of us who DO choose to take the risk of vaxing? Your children are getting OUR children's protection.

JMHO,

Lucky

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Wed, 04-30-2003 - 4:08pm
Well lets hope that all those women of childbearing age that are worried about exposure to rubella get their rubella vaccine before becoming pregnant! Put the responsibility where it belongs, not on the helpless infants.

Christine

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Wed, 04-30-2003 - 4:10pm
You need to re-read my post.. I did not say there was a vaccine for scarlet fever, nor did I say that scarlet fever is less now because of one..lol...I said that we don't see much problems with Scarlet Fever nowdays and there is NO vaccine for it...it has not declined due to a vaccine...as there is NONE for it.. my opinion is that most of these diseases were already on the decline BEFORE vaccines were introduced and therefor I do not believe that they are responsible for the reduction in things like measles, polio etc.. and with improved hygiene and antibiotics...most of these diseases are even more harmless than before. My ds had scarlet fever also when he was just 2 yrs old.. took antibiotics and was recovered quickly.


Kellina~

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Wed, 04-30-2003 - 4:18pm
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Problem lies with the incubation periods that precede detectible symptoms. Even a responsible parent would not know their child was contagious with measles, rubella or chicken pox before the first symptoms were noticeable. However, those diseases are contagious BEFORE symptoms appear.

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Wed, 04-30-2003 - 4:27pm
Also wanted to say that I misworded my post when I said that these diseases have "vanished" ..that was not the right word I was looking for.. what I meant is that these diseases had been on the decline before vaccines were introduced and that Scarlet Fever was one disease that did NOT have a shot that started to decline along with the ones that DID have a shot....We do still see some of these diseases today, although fewer and with less problems..but as I said in my other reply...this is imho due to better hygiene and antibiotic use...not neccesarily from vaccines. I do not like the diseases...nor do I like the vaccines offered for some of them...I do not totally believe that vaccines work...I have seen first hand how they can hurt a child and also have seen several children get VPDs that were fully vaccinated..So I am praying for the best possible outcome for my children in the midst of a very difficult choice...vaccinating or not is a very hard choice to make.. neither side is free from possible bad effects...but for our family right now~ the safest choice is to not vaccinate anymore.. getting the vaccine poses more of a risk to our children...their health has already been seriously compromised due to the vaccinations....


Blessings~ Kellina

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Wed, 04-30-2003 - 4:29pm
*and when they do get sick they seem to recover more quickly*

I am not sure what you are eluding to with this statement. Are you saying that unvaxed kids recover from illness more quickly than vaxed kids? If so, I'd like to see some credible research that supports this.

Also, I do not think unvaxed children are "disease carriers". I think they are more likely to carry certain disease and pass them onto others, but I certainly don't think they are carriers of disease by definition. I have no problem with my children (now 3 years old and fully vaxed) playing with unvaxed children.

My statement meant to say that there is simply more of a risk to unvaxed pg women or newborns when exposed to unvaxed children who may be carring a disease (such as rubella, measles, pertussis etc). You don't have to be severly ill to pass on one of these diseases, in thier early stages many diseases look like a cold or other mild infection.

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Wed, 04-30-2003 - 4:31pm
In our society, unless you have a valid medical exeption, the responsibility lies with parents to vaccinate their children.
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Wed, 04-30-2003 - 4:33pm
yes, that is true.it is almost impossible to be fully aware of what you are exposing others to. the rest of my argument still stands. what about putting some of the responsibility on the people who may be suseptible? i know that i have asked my friends to tell me when their kids have been recently vaxed if i was concerned about my DD being exposed. and on the contrary, she was unknowingly exposed to cp 2 times as an infant. she didn't contract it and i wasn't worried that she would. you take risks either way. i would just rather the risk come to me where i can somewhat control it than asking for the risk before i even know if she will ever be exposed to it to begin with.
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Wed, 04-30-2003 - 4:54pm
And children who are fully vaccinated can also be unknowingly carrying a disease as well..vaccs are not 100% remember...and some vaccs can actually cause the disease they are *suppose* to prevent, therefor exposing others to the disease....and since most parents think that vaccines are foolproof..they don't think their children can be carriers of the actual disease..so they take them out , thinking it is just a cold..and expose all the rest of us...


I am worried to be around those who vaccinate..NOT those who don't...


Kellina

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Wed, 04-30-2003 - 5:10pm
*In our society, unless you have a valid medical exeption, the responsibility lies with parents to vaccinate their children. *

I disagree. I believe that the responsibility lies with parents to EDUCATE themselves and make an EDUCATED decision about their children's health care, including vaccines. IF that EDUCATED decision is to not vaccinate in any way, then it's the parent's responsibility to reduce exposure to known VPD's and to restrict exposure to others if they are contracted.

There is NO "social" responsibility to put a child at risk to "protect" society...that's hogwash.

Christine

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Wed, 04-30-2003 - 5:12pm
**I am worried to be around those who vaccinate..NOT those who don't... **

I've seen this statement several times now and am curious. If this is the case aren't you in a constant state of worry? The vast majority of people/children you come in contact with during everyday life are vaccinated (grocery store, church, library, doctors office etc).

Also what about when your children attend school (unless you are going to homeshcool), your unvaxed children will be surrounded every day by fully vaccinated children, if you are worried about your children being around vaxed kids, how do you handle everyday life?