If everyone stopped vaxing, would all

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If everyone stopped vaxing, would all
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Fri, 04-25-2003 - 7:23am
these diseases come back into our society? If so, why is it fair for some to stop vaxing? Doesn't that simply minimize unvaxed kids' risks of reactions to the vaccines while NOT raising thier risk of contracting the diseases because the majority of the kids ARE vaxed? In other words, are those of us who vax doing the unvaxers work FOR them and taking the risks FOR them since OUR kids won't spread these diseases to theirs?

I guess I have always had a fairness thing going when it comes to vaxing. We should ALL do it together. We should ALL be in the fight and not just let SOME kids do the front line fighting.

I would like to hear from the non vaxers on this one. And please don't link me to other articles. I want to know what YOU think. Do you think that non vaxing is fair to those of us who DO choose to take the risk of vaxing? Your children are getting OUR children's protection.

JMHO,

Lucky

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Wed, 04-30-2003 - 10:47pm
this debate is getting a little petty..."but what if this, and what if this...blah blah blah". parents who don't vaccinate are not FEARFUL of the diseases for which you vaccinate. we do not choose not to because we think our kids will not get the diseases. in fact, some diseases we actually WANT them to get. i think (alstonlove) was just trying to make a point, i don't get the impression that she is really living in fear. i feel like my daughter is more at risk for exposure to many colds and viruses when around vaxed kids because they seem to be sick more often. even so, it doesn't keep us away from them. cold and flu and other viruses are ALWAYS out there and available to "get", so if she's succeptible, she'll get it. no biggie, she's healthy. the germ "theory" doesn't fly with me. i don't think that because we are in a room with 10 people with the flu we are any more likely to contract it than if we are in a room with one with the flu. by the way, 16 states that i'm aware of allow for a philosophical exemption. didn't someone comment that it was our responsibility as parents to vax because it was the law? this is why we all need to be more politically involved with maintaining our rights to choose, no matter what your choice. the health of our children should not be mandated by the goverment. BTW, it's the drug companies that lobby everyday for it NOT to be our choice. should they really be the ones to decide?
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Wed, 04-30-2003 - 11:18pm
Well said! And yes you are right.. I was just making a point...I am not living in fear of my children being around other people etc...simply was stating that my children are more at risk in my opinion being around vaccinated children than unvaccinated children...and that vaccinated children seem to harbor more colds etc than unvacc'd children...I have never seen so many children with a constant runny nose in my life! Amazing!
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Thu, 05-01-2003 - 2:46am
Why do you think a baby should be vaccinated instead of the women of childbearing age? (RE RUBELLA VAX) Why do you think the babies should take on the responsibility and not the women? Because rubella in itself is harmless, so the only reason the babies are vaccinated are to protect pregnant women, not the baby.

Another question, being that approx 17 more vaccine doses have been added to the schedule since my first child was born, is there any point you would draw the line (if you have children) as to the number of doses you will allow to be injected into your child? 40? 50? 150? Will you take as many as the drug companies get mandated?

Christine

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Thu, 05-01-2003 - 8:16am
alstonlove and wholemom,

Whenever you see a child with a runny nose, do you ask if they are vaxed? Just curious how you know that all these kids that are sick all the time have all been vaxed. I just can't imagine how you have done this research that shows you that kids who are vaxed have more colds. Also, do you assume that all of the well children are unvaxed? Of course you don't. But you seem to be looking at just the runny noses and assuming, or are you asking, that they are all vaxed.

In my child's elementary school, everyone has to be vaxed and there are lots of kids that get perfect attendance. How can this be if they are all vaxed? Shouldn't they all be sick all the time according to your "facts"? Of course not.

Vaxed kids don't get any more or any few colds than unvaxed ones. Please stop using that ridiculous arguement.

Lucky

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Thu, 05-01-2003 - 9:42am
read comment # 22 on the debate going on entitled "has there been any research..."

OF COURSE we don't know every kid. my comments are just based on the kids I know personnally. EVERY vaccinated child is not sickly, and every uvvacxed is not the picture of health either. the argument is (and it IS valid) is that if there is a child with a weakend immune system, and you wouldn't neccessarily know this before you started vaxing, then the vaxes would be a tremendous stress on their little systems and could result in them having a harder time fighting colds and viruses, etc..... getting vaxed is not a normal way to be introduced to these virus'(intramuscularly) so their systems are not prepared to handle them as efficiently as when exposure occurs in a normal way. BTW, there are a lot of children in school whose parents op out of vaxing. in some states they allow for a philosophical exemption as well as religious and medical.
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Thu, 05-01-2003 - 9:49am
I think I see where our POVs are divergent in this train of thought Georgia. Where you see: <>

I believe that those children may be the luckiest benficiaries of the vaccines! Their systems would have the most difficult time facing the onslaught of the VPD itself, and the vaccine is a wonderful tool the parents can employ in maintaining optimal health for such children.

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Thu, 05-01-2003 - 10:00am
on the contrary! these are the kids that i worry about not handling the vaccines very well. in other words, if a child is one that wouldn't handle the virus by itself and introduced in a natural way then how can we expect that same system to handle an unnatural exposure to the disease compiled with all the other junk included in them? i'm not willing to risk it.
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Thu, 05-01-2003 - 1:20pm
LOL- that's what I was trying to say- this is where we will have to agree to disagree respectfully. I see those kids as MOST needing the vaccnies.

Thanks for the compliments on the kids- I think they're keepres, LOL~!

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Thu, 05-01-2003 - 2:03pm
Just a couple points -- you do not catch Measles from a recently vaccinated person, and there is only a very small likelihood you could catch Chicken Pox from a person recently vaccinated with Varicella (if they break out in pox from the vaccine and you are immunocompromised there may be a risk). They *are* live virus vaccines, but they are not secreted in stools and urine as far as I am aware -- live oral POLIO vaccine was secreted in the stool, but that is no longer in use in the U.S.

Regarding the majority of cases of Pertussis being seen in fully vaccinated children -- I don't know about your pediatrician's stats, but this would make sense to me because the vast majority of children receive the full set of vaccines, and the vaccine is not 100% effective. When there are far more *vaccinated* children than *unvaccinated* children in a group exposed to Pertussis, then more vaccinated children can get it (because there were more of them to start with). However, the odds of the *unvaccinated* children in the same environment getting it are vastly greater than for the vaccinated children.

You state a lot of "facts" from your pediatrician which are debatable!

I don't blame you for refusing vaccines when your children have had poor reactions -- I would most likely do the same thing in your shoes. I just don't like to see statements presented as fact when they are not necessarily so.

Welcome to the board --

Keeley

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Thu, 05-01-2003 - 2:59pm
it IS fact that over 50% of measels cases in some recent years HAVE been in fully vaxed kids.(i'll get the report asap and post it) your argument of more vaxed than unvaxed being the reason for this (i know you were talking about pertusis but i assume you would use it here as well) is not a solid argument,IMO. it would only make sense if there was some "rule" that a certain # of kids had to get the disease at the same time and OOOPS there aren't enough unvaxed kids to expose so BAM let's get the vaxed ones! if the vaccines are as effective as the drug companies would have us believe than the numbers wouldn't look like this during an epidemic. another reason that the numbers don't favor vaxing is because SOME kids do get measels from the vax.the point is that if you are not guaranteed immunity from the vax, why unneccessarily expose your child to the vax/disease when you don't even know if your child will ever contract it to begin with. and, yes, i do think this is partly due to the vaccine and, no, i don't think this is a good thing!