Interesting article re vax and autism...

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Interesting article re vax and autism...
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Tue, 02-02-2010 - 3:57pm

I don't believe that vaccines caused my son's autism nor do I believe it causes autism in general.

Deb


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Registered: 07-11-2006
Wed, 02-03-2010 - 5:43pm

>>The Lancet's statement is in line with this, so I don't think it settles any of the debate.<<

Warning: Vax debate newbie and/or fly by

I thought that is exactly what the Lancet statement did. It put to rest the idea that vaccines cause autism.

As for the overall debate, Vax or not, that is unaffected in my kinda limited opinion.






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Registered: 10-18-2007
Wed, 02-03-2010 - 7:21pm

No. It retracted the paper due to the GMC findings of unethical conduct. It did not address the science, and the first three paragraphs of the findings specifically state they did not look at the science.

The science behind this paper has already been called into question. And rightly. But the paper clearly stated they found no association, whether that was disingenuine... dunno. Maybe. But why would the other authors go out of their way to issue a retraction of the conclusion that was being incorrectly interpreted? Then he was criticized for not having a control group, but since it was a case study, that seems irrelevant. Then there's the replication of his findings... how will you replicate his findings if you don't study kids who actually regress after the MMR? Don't get me wrong, a lot of things about the whole thing stink to high heaven. But from both sides, not just Wakers side.

The statement the Lancet issued was crafted for legal intent, in my opinion. It's very carefully worded.

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Registered: 06-16-2009
Wed, 02-03-2010 - 10:58pm

Another vax forum I

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Registered: 06-16-2009
Wed, 02-03-2010 - 11:04pm

It put to rest the idea that vaccines cause autism.


vaccines minus the s. This is what I figured would happen.

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Registered: 06-16-2009
Wed, 02-03-2010 - 11:49pm

My husband had to take the magazine away from me and toss it in the trash, he said I was muttering expletives under my breath and he knew it was going to be an article either about breastfeeding or vaccines. He can't understand why I continue to read stuff out of

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Registered: 07-11-2006
Thu, 02-04-2010 - 7:32am
I'm not familiar with the nuances of this debate. Are you saying that you agree that the MMR does not cause autism, but believe that some combination of other vaccines do or might?






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Registered: 04-09-2008
Thu, 02-04-2010 - 10:58am

Why am I not surprised that 3 sentences were devoted to character attacks, and zero of anything substantial?


I'm not sure why you think I mind that you posted something.??? I encourage it. Post away.

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Registered: 10-18-2007
Thu, 02-04-2010 - 11:31am

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There's sniping in general, and it certainly goes both ways. I'm not sure about the hostility, since you've never replied to a single post I've ever addressed to you. I frequent some other blogs and boards where I am the minority, and when people rake me, it is what it is. I'm not going to wear my heart on my sleeve and post about how I'm above engaging them because they are all meanies. If I want warm fuzzies, then I'll email my mom.

I treat people how they treat others. When people are treated in a way that makes them uncomfortable, it's usually their own instability staring them in the face (this goes for me too). No need to sugar coat it so it's easier to swallow. And feel free to keep me on ignore and not reply, my feelings aren't hurt.

Oh, and back to Tenpenny....as if mainstream doctors don't have a financial interest in treating patients? News to me.

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Registered: 06-16-2009
Thu, 02-04-2010 - 5:15pm

My personal belief is that vaccines may be a trigger for some children with autism.

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Registered: 07-11-2006
Thu, 02-04-2010 - 7:38pm

Thanks for following up.

>>A sampling of umbilical cords found over 200 industrial chemicals and pollutants....That is what they are exposed to before they even leave the womb.<<

Yeah. My opinion is that autism is determined before birth.

>>For some children I think that the heavy vaccine schedule is the straw that breaks the camels back so to speak.<<

Maybe, but I still think it occurs before birth.

>>there is clearly an impact on the immune system when breastfeeding is withheld.<<

True, but I don't think the impact on the immune system affects the development (or not) of ASD. I don't know if there is research one way or the other. I've never heard of a link between ASD and lack of breastfeeding. ITA that breastfeeding would, in most cases, have a positive influence on a child with ASD.






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