Interesting article re vax and autism...

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Interesting article re vax and autism...
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Tue, 02-02-2010 - 3:57pm

I don't believe that vaccines caused my son's autism nor do I believe it causes autism in general.

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Fri, 02-05-2010 - 8:23am

I'm not pro or con vaccines.

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Fri, 02-05-2010 - 8:29am

What I meant by that comment "robotic, Rainman like" is that any movie you watch or media coverage ONLY seems to focus on the severly autistic.

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Fri, 02-05-2010 - 10:30am
Until they do study it, my guys will remain vaccine free.
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Sat, 02-06-2010 - 1:18pm

"It's just something that was very, very hard for us to accept in the beginning, and we looked for something/someone to blame."

Would having someone or something to blame make it go away? I'm considering what my own mother went through and I would have to say that it was probably easier for her, since the doctors all told her what the cause of his autism was on day one, and then continued with that truth whenever she discussed it with a doctor up until his death by pharmaceuticals at 23 yrs old (no he didn't OD on anything, took it all as prescribed by his doctors). Its too bad they won't do that today - tell the truth I mean. But today at least they don't drug kids with 5 different drugs 3 times a day. What a difference a few decades makes huh?

"I blamed myself, no matter how irrational that may sound."

It's a *mom thing* I believe. No matter what, we always blame ourselves for everything that happens to our kids.

"I do believe that you can't find a "cure" for something until you find the cause."

Anecdotal evidence suggest otherwise, but what's reality got to do with it anyway?

"Personally, I don't think it's any more prevalent now than in the past, only that now the dx is much broader."

There's a least two studies out there that say you're wrong. If I had time I would find them both, but here is one of them.

http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/newsroom/newsdetail.html?key=1861&svr=http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu&table=published

Here's another link in case that one doesn't work:

http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/news/mindepi_study.html

Yes, its true that you can change the diagnosis criteria and change a lot of minds by doing so. Just look at polio and how many new disorders spawned off of those word-games.

When I was growing up it was not called autism, it was called mental retardation. Has little to do with actual diagnosis, I think they just assumed that people would believe they are two separate illnesses...but many just haven't bothered to learn about either.

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Sat, 02-06-2010 - 1:54pm
Well my oldest didn't have any vaccine reactions unless you include the high fever, swollen injection sites and allergies. But my youngest who was never vaccinated, continues to line things up to this day, she's 5. And she does have incredible ability to learn new things and an uncanny ability to use logic like I've never seen a five year old do. Not really rainman like (yet) - but I'll let everyone know if we feel the need for a diagnosis 'cause I'm sure I could get one if needed - if not for autism, but probably for one of the many other autistic-like disorders. But then her school teachers are not all certified teachers and her behavior is totally controllable. If she begins to flap her arms like my brother did, then I'll worry.
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Sat, 02-06-2010 - 1:58pm

"while I don't have figures to prove otherwise,"

No one else does either. Maybe they'll get smart enough to figure it out one day and actually look at those figures. For now, there is *something* stopping them from doing so. I can't for the life of me figure out what that something could be...oh nevermind, it's that placebo thing again. How could I forget? Looking at after the fact numbers would totally be unethical.

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Sat, 02-06-2010 - 2:04pm
I can see where you're coming from. A lot of my kids classmates are high functioning. Being homeschoolers, we see a lot more of that because our kids don't spend their days with the same 30 kids through elementary school each year. I can usually spot autism, even high functioning, but that's because I spent my entire life around all ranges of autism. Most people won't recognize it unless, like you say, the child exhibits "rainman"-like behavior.
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Sat, 02-06-2010 - 2:07pm

That's the big question...I'm sure the answer has the word "placebo" or "unethical" in it somewhere.

My kids will remain vaccine-free too so I think your choice is a wise one.

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Sat, 02-06-2010 - 2:36pm

Really, no matter how many studies are done, if they are ignored then the pretending can continue. Like this one:

http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0008382

The conclusion is pretty clear:

"Systemic autoimmunity appears to be the inevitable consequence of over-stimulating the host's immune ‘system’ by repeated immunization with antigen, to the levels that surpass system's self-organized criticality."

I've posted it all over the place and still, nobody will touch it. I guess they are ignoring it. Or maybe there's just controversy over what can and can't be considered an autoimmune disorders.

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Sat, 02-06-2010 - 10:39pm

I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say.

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