intro and question about ADD and vax

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intro and question about ADD and vax
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Mon, 06-09-2003 - 11:24pm
hi!

this is my first time visiting this board, so i guess i should introduce myself first!

i'm ingrid, 27, i have 3 daughters ages 6, 4 and 1. i started out vaxing my first before it even occured to me that i had a choice. As soon as i realized that i did have a choice, i chose NOT to vax. We originally chose to homeschool our children because of the vax issue.

The question that i have is concerning my oldest child. She hasn't been diagnosed, but i frequently feel as though she is ADD/ADHD. She is the only one of my kids that behaves this way and she is also the only one that has had any vaccinations. i may be grasping at straws here, but does anybody know of a link between the two? And if so, are there any good links (or books!) that would help me?

thanx in advance!

ingrid

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Tue, 06-10-2003 - 4:33am
Hi Ingrid and welcome to the board.

Many people will try to tell you otherwise but according to what I have heard, ADD/ADHD has nothing to do with vaccines.

There is a strong genetic base of ADD/ADHD leading to an imbalance in the dopamine/serotonin systems, hardly something that can be vaccine induced - see here:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12192616&dopt=Abstract

Does the origin of ADD/ADHD in your child make any difference, or are you just hoping that the other two won't get it, because they are not vaccinated?

HTH

Catherina

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Tue, 06-10-2003 - 9:45am
Just another anecdote here (but when you add millions together with the same outcome everytime, it must count for something, eh?)

My children born in 1984 and 1987 received far less doses of vaccines than my child born in 1995. My child born in 1995 received almost the same amount of doses in 18 months that my older two received in 5 years! My son born in 1999 received just six shy of what my older two received in 7.5 months vs what they received in 5 years!! But far less total than my 1995 child received. My youngest, is vax free.

Out of 5 children, the one born in 1995, who received the greatest amount of vaccines (and he didn't even get the 4-5 yr boosters)

is the one who bounces off the walls.

I don't think it's any coincidence. And I believe in time, this will be accepted as the vaccine damage that it is.

Christine

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Tue, 06-10-2003 - 10:23am
And for what it's worth, none of my three children (born in 1990, 99 and 01) display any signs of ADD/ADHD. At this point, I would expect to see certain traits emerging in the youngest. On the contrary, they remain bright, foucused, pleasant children.

There may be a strong genetic component after all, Christine. Stranger tales have crossed this board. I cannot count how many times I've heard/read a mother saying after her child was dx'd w/ADD/ADHD that the father has those traits, and in some cases was evaluated & dx'd as an adult.

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Tue, 06-10-2003 - 10:33am
And my anecdote -- I suspect my 5.5 yo may have ADHD -- he has not been formally evaluated, but he definitely has behavior and focusing troubles that point in that direction. He has been like this for as long as he was mobile (extremely high energy and impulsive). He had his first vaccine at age 4. I know for a fact if he does have this syndrome it was not caused by vaccines. My 3 yo does not seem to have the problem. My baby is extremely active -- I guess time will tell!

Best of luck to you -- these kids definitely make life more challenging -- and welcome to the board!

Keeley

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Tue, 06-10-2003 - 10:37am
so sad, Christine, to see reduce your children's uniqueness and individuality to the number of vaccines they have ever gotten. Even twins differ in their personality, siblings even more.

Catherina with two, fully vaccinated, very different children (and they were from birth, before the first needle stuck them

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Tue, 06-10-2003 - 4:47pm
Cahtherina, I was responding to the question by relating the differences in my children compared with the number of doses of vaccines they had. Please stop trying to read between the lines and just take the statements for what they are. Just like in the measles post where you attempted to insinuate I thought children born with defects were of less value than those who aren't, knowing full well that I have a son that was born with heart and lung defects.

Not sure what your point is here, but it seems like your comments are better left unsaid.

Christine



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Tue, 06-10-2003 - 5:04pm
well, where is my confused icon then? Why do you keep bringing up that children with an underlying condition are more prone to the complications of measles? What is your point? (especially since this is not univerally true for measles complications, just for measles deaths)

And what was your point when you made the correlation between your children's energy level and the numerb of vaccines? I must have missed it, for to me it looked like it was intended as another anecdote to support that vaccination causes behavioral deficits?

I had seen Eve mention the name of your son's condition, I did not know it involved a heart and lung defect and I certainly did not think of it when I posted...

Catherina

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Tue, 06-10-2003 - 10:44pm
"Why do you keep bringing up that children with an underlying condition are more prone to the complications of measles? What is your point?"

Because they are included in the group I mentioned, the very young, the very old, and those with PRE EXISTING conditions, which can be any age.

"And what was your point when you made the correlation between your children's energy level and the numerb of vaccines?"

That the number of doses (with all the nasty additives) may indeed be directly related to a child's health (or lack of).

"I must have missed it, for to me it looked like it was intended as another anecdote to support that vaccination causes behavioral deficits?"

Well, you didn't miss the point. But how does that negate the other qualities my child(ren) have? I only mentioned the bouncing off the walls.

"I had seen Eve mention the name of your son's condition, I did not know it involved a heart and lung defect and I certainly did not think of it when I posted..."

So you know my son had a 'condition' nonetheless. A condition that was made worse by vaccines. A condition that left him will no ill effects until his 3rd round of vaccines.

A conditon that was probably vaccine preventable, if only I had prevented him from receiving those vaccines.

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Mon, 06-16-2003 - 12:09am
Thank you for the welcome and the responses.

Christine, Catherina, i certainly didn't intend to start (or continue?) a heated debate.

i certainly do appreciate everyone's responses though, as they have helped me to see my own situation in a different light!

I'm very aware of the strong genetic factor of add/adhd. The more i read about add, the more i feel like i'm reading about myself. My brother also is (self-diagnosed) add. He and i both feel that our other brother may also be add. However, both of my brothers and i have both been fully vaxed, so there's always the same *chance* that the vax had something to do with it with us as well. On the other hand, we have two sisters that don't seem to show any signs of ADD and they were fully vaxed also! That's why i posted my question--to find out if anybody had any HARD EVIDENCE on the subject!

No i'm not concerned that my other 2 children will "get" add--as i'm sure you know it's not something that a child can catch like the common cold. i'm about as positive as can be that my second does NOT have ADD. My 3rd and 1st have similar personalities, but my 3rd doesn't seem to be as difficult to manage as my 1st ever was. i know that the add symptoms had manifested themselves in my 1st by the time she was the age my 3rd is now, so i figure that if my 3rd was ADD, i'd be seeing signs by now. She is still young though and things could change.

Again, thank you all for your responses! And i'm truly sorry that my question created such a heated exchange!

ingrid

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Mon, 06-16-2003 - 9:34am
please don't apologize for starting heated exchanges around here -- it often doesn't take much to provoke them!! We do try to keep it civil, but regulars around here disagree at times over many different off-topic discussions as well as the vaccine debate. And it gets a *lot* more heated at times than this discussion did.

Feel free to post as often as you like. And maybe I'll see you on the ADD/ADHD board -- I'm struggling with whether or not to have my son evaluated, so I've been posting there recently, too. (I'm also a regular on Spirited Kids, which definitely describes my son as well!)

Take care,

Keeley

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