This is irritating...

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This is irritating...
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Fri, 01-23-2009 - 1:39am

I was flipping through one of the random free parenting type magazines that I have gotten in the mail in the last year and a half. (I'm sure from all those free diaper and formula forms I filled out back when dd was born) The one I was looking at was "Parents". I usually don't like it very much as most of the items they recommend are pretty pricey and their views on hot topics are usually very far from my own. This particular issue had a bunch of stuff about vaccines. I've seen these things before and been put off by how pro sided they are. I looked at their website and am just so effin peeved right now.

Here's one article:
http://www.parents.com/baby/health/autism/health-update-more-proof-that-vaccines-dont-cause-autism/

Here's a nice little nugget from that one:
<"But if you choose not to vaccinate your child, you are increasing his risk of contracting serious diseases that can lead to complications, hospitalization, and even death," says Dr. Fombonne. For example, after the MMR vaccine was first linked to autism in England, many parents stopped vaccinating their children -- and several children died during a measles outbreak in Ireland soon afterward.

For all the major childhood vaccinations (hepatitis B, rotavirus, DTaP, Hib, pneumococcal, polio, flu, MMR, chickenpox, hepatitis A, meningococcal), most experts agree that the many, many benefits from getting vaccinated far outweigh any possible side effects or risks.>

Here's another:
http://www.parents.com/baby/health/vaccinations/hows-and-whys-of-baby-vaccines/?page=1

Loved this (in regards to an alternate schedule):
"Sounds good in theory. But it's actually playing Russian roulette with your baby's health. "When you delay vaccines, you increase the period of time during which children are susceptible to diseases vaccines can prevent," Dr. Offit says. "Certain diseases -- like Hib, pneumococcus, and pertussis -- rear their head in the first year of life, so you need to immunize infants as quickly as possible."

Talk about scare tactics:
"Is it ever preferable for my child to get the natural disease?

No. The diseases we vaccinate children against can have serious consequences. Many parents today have had chickenpox. They recovered uneventfully, perhaps sustaining just a few scars from the pox.

But some children don't pull through quite so easily. In some cases, chickenpox can make children susceptible to infection and cause pneumonia. "

I also love that it talks about being careful when reading scary stuff about vaccines on the internet and tells it's readers to only believe the cdc or aap. Then it goes on to use more scare tactics pushing the vaccines.

I'm just peeved that this info can be in such a wide spread publication and be so one sided.

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Sat, 01-24-2009 - 9:50pm

I haven't read anything in my real research of vaccines that said "lies, lies, this Dr is lying, that study is false, its all a conspiracy theory." Can you tell me what sites you're looking at that say these things. I also think that's not a good way to approach things on the antivax side but I haven't seen anything of the sort.

Why is it a conspiracy theory? Because it goes against what we've all been brainwashed to think?

I was referring to the provax article in a national publication not having any references when using the terms "studies". They pull from the cdc website which also is lacking in references. Provaxers and Antivaxers alike should use references or specify that it's an opinion. You have been asked for references because you are posting on a debate board. I personally don't think that the cdc is a good reference in this debate. It's like using the bible in a scientific discussion.

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Sun, 01-25-2009 - 12:53am

There is a very, very hungry lie, and the lie needs more food. Dr. Paul Offit is this lie's public chef, but it also gets fed by the Centers for Disease Control, American Academy of Pediatrics, and many other parties who have a vested interest in protecting our current vaccine program. The problem with a lie as big as this one is that it never knows when it has had enough to eat, and it always needs more food.

girls
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Sun, 01-25-2009 - 12:59am

Talk about scare tactics:
"Is it ever preferable for my child to get the natural disease?


No. The diseases we vaccinate children against can have serious consequences. Many parents today have had chickenpox. They recovered uneventfully, perhaps sustaining just a few scars from the pox.


But some children don't pull through quite so easily. In some cases, chickenpox can make children susceptible to infection and cause pneumonia. "


I don't think that is a scare tactic because it can happen. Now if it had said that all children who weren't vaccinated get serious consequences and will get infection and cause pneumonia and die now that is a scare tactic.

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girls
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Sun, 01-25-2009 - 1:57am
It's a scare tactic because they don't show both sides. If they also went into scary details about what can happen when you react badly to a vaccine then I wouldn't be so upset about these tactics. They don't. They present these stories as if the only bad reactions are to the diseases and they only happen if you aren't vaccinated. Yes, these illnesses can be contracted and yes, sometimes there are complications but even a vaccinated child can be affected by the illness and/or complications in addition to the risk of complications from the shot itself.
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Sun, 01-25-2009 - 1:59am
Where is this on that site? Is it a study or an opinion? I couldn't find it on the site can you give the direct link to where these paragraphs are?
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Sun, 01-25-2009 - 2:42am

Yes sorry here is the direct link to it (my computer was playing up before and wouldn't let me paste it - http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/01/cdc-aap-paul-offit-feeding-a-hungry-lie.html#more

girls
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Registered: 01-02-2009
Sun, 01-25-2009 - 9:24am

Jumping in again:

Please have a look at insidevaccines. Lots of good articles. Plenty of references. No scaremongering. It is possible to be a vaccine critic without being a conspiracy theorist.

http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress

http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress
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Sun, 01-25-2009 - 9:41am

The article on Age of Autism about the "Hungry Lie" is quite specific. They are discussing the lie about the studies which dismiss a vaccine-autism connection. The article goes, one by one, through the studies and points out that, for example, there is never a comparison between unvaccinated and vaccinated children. All of the children in the studies were vaccinated. The differences are in timing of vaccines, brand of vaccine, etc. And yet, quite recently, I saw a quote from Paul Offit claiming that vaccinated and unvaccinated children had been compared and there was no difference in autism rates. This is, no other way to say it, a lie.

As an example of hysterical anti-vaccine activism, nope. This article fails the test.

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Sun, 01-25-2009 - 1:52pm
This looks like an opinion piece to me. I don't usually load up on things like this. Even though I'm antivax, I still like to research things other than opinions. Like I said before, sites like this may be good jumping off points to do more research but I hardly think you can judge the antivax position as a whole from this one opinion piece.
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Sun, 01-25-2009 - 1:55pm
Because provaxers do not believe it is a lie, any antivaxer saying so must be a conspiracy theorist.
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