This is irritating...

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This is irritating...
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Fri, 01-23-2009 - 1:39am

I was flipping through one of the random free parenting type magazines that I have gotten in the mail in the last year and a half. (I'm sure from all those free diaper and formula forms I filled out back when dd was born) The one I was looking at was "Parents". I usually don't like it very much as most of the items they recommend are pretty pricey and their views on hot topics are usually very far from my own. This particular issue had a bunch of stuff about vaccines. I've seen these things before and been put off by how pro sided they are. I looked at their website and am just so effin peeved right now.

Here's one article:
http://www.parents.com/baby/health/autism/health-update-more-proof-that-vaccines-dont-cause-autism/

Here's a nice little nugget from that one:
<"But if you choose not to vaccinate your child, you are increasing his risk of contracting serious diseases that can lead to complications, hospitalization, and even death," says Dr. Fombonne. For example, after the MMR vaccine was first linked to autism in England, many parents stopped vaccinating their children -- and several children died during a measles outbreak in Ireland soon afterward.

For all the major childhood vaccinations (hepatitis B, rotavirus, DTaP, Hib, pneumococcal, polio, flu, MMR, chickenpox, hepatitis A, meningococcal), most experts agree that the many, many benefits from getting vaccinated far outweigh any possible side effects or risks.>

Here's another:
http://www.parents.com/baby/health/vaccinations/hows-and-whys-of-baby-vaccines/?page=1

Loved this (in regards to an alternate schedule):
"Sounds good in theory. But it's actually playing Russian roulette with your baby's health. "When you delay vaccines, you increase the period of time during which children are susceptible to diseases vaccines can prevent," Dr. Offit says. "Certain diseases -- like Hib, pneumococcus, and pertussis -- rear their head in the first year of life, so you need to immunize infants as quickly as possible."

Talk about scare tactics:
"Is it ever preferable for my child to get the natural disease?

No. The diseases we vaccinate children against can have serious consequences. Many parents today have had chickenpox. They recovered uneventfully, perhaps sustaining just a few scars from the pox.

But some children don't pull through quite so easily. In some cases, chickenpox can make children susceptible to infection and cause pneumonia. "

I also love that it talks about being careful when reading scary stuff about vaccines on the internet and tells it's readers to only believe the cdc or aap. Then it goes on to use more scare tactics pushing the vaccines.

I'm just peeved that this info can be in such a wide spread publication and be so one sided.

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Sun, 01-25-2009 - 4:42pm

But Robin, either a study has been done or it hasn't been done.

Are we talking religion...or facts?

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Sun, 01-25-2009 - 9:07pm

Did you not read what i said?? I said this is one and i will post more. Who here said because antivax say the doctors are lying called you conspiracy theorists??????


girls
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Registered: 08-20-2007
Sun, 01-25-2009 - 9:15pm

Yes i have been reading through some of the articles on the Website you posted. I was interested to read about the story of Scott. I clicked on the link and was very interested when I first started reading then was disappointed as they never said in there article what happened to him. I went to the Website but you have to buy the book so i am going to search the net if not i will buy it.


Also i have previously read the polio vaccines that you posted 3 parts to. That is something i would read.


One question is the polio vaccine over there given by injection or orally, i seem to remember my children having it orally

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girls
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Registered: 01-02-2009
Sun, 01-25-2009 - 9:23pm

in the U.S. it is now the injected polio vaccine which is used, it used to be the oral. The difference is that the oral vaccine is "live" and can actually spread polio or cause polio. However, it provides herd immunity, eventually, because it prevents the recipient from carrying the polio virus in their gut. Why eventually? Because for some period of time after the vaccine dose, the recipient sheds the polio virus in their bowel movements. There was actually a case of an immune compromised dad who got polio from changing his kid's diaper. The injected polio vaccine doesn't provide herd immunity, but it may prevent people from actually getting sick with polio. In the U.S. they decided not to use the oral vaccine anymore because it was making people sick and it didn't seem worth it when polio was no longer in circulation.

I'm glad you've been reading some of the articles and I'll be happy to get feedback and comments.

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Mon, 01-26-2009 - 12:14am
Hey, I'm on your side. I totally agree that if no study has been done then it is not a stretch to call a reference to one a lie.
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Mon, 01-26-2009 - 12:26am

This is exactly what you said...

"When they happen to stumble onto antivax websites the first words you usually see is lies, lies, this Dr is lying, that study is false, its all a conspiracy theory. Provaxer's then think omg these people are looney."

Looks to me like you used the words "conspiracy theory".

If you're going to post more then go ahead. In the meantime I don't think it's off limits for me to knock that particular one as just an opinion piece. I'd like to see some that aren't just opinions and follow what you said about lies and conspiracy theories and have no studies or references to back it up. The thing is though, like minority said, if someone claims something (ie. a study) and it doesn't exist then it's not a conspiracy theory to call it a lie. If an antivax report referenced a study that didn't exist it would be a lie as well.

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Mon, 01-26-2009 - 10:14am

I don't think you are getting what i am saying. The words "conspiracy theory" are what i usually see on the antivax websites!!! ( you can put all the words into my mouth I don't really care)


No you said that i cannot base my claim soley on that article.


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Mon, 01-26-2009 - 11:19am
I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth. If you make a claim that someone stumbling on an antivax website only sees these "lies" and "conspiracy theory" statements then you need to back it up. I personally do not think it's true. Yes, there are fanatical websites out there but, they are on both sides. They do not represent either side as a whole.
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Mon, 01-26-2009 - 12:31pm

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ITA - I have a big problem with this too. They totally dismiss the side effects of vaccines, except for the minor ones. And for some that I consider indicative of a bigger problem (such as seizures), they'll say - that's normal. That's normal?!? Come on! Just because many kids suffer from that side effect does not mean it's not a problem!

And why is it that a new product from the pharma co's is almost automatically consider 100% safe and effective because it has the word "vaccine" attached to it??? I still don't get this. Drugs admittedly have bad effects for many, and don't necessarily work, but this does not apply to vaccines for the most part.

Yeah, until the pro-vax side quits dismissing the side effects, they will have a next to impossible time of trying to convince me that it's all about the health of our kids and not at all about the money. But, I've said it before and I'll say it again - when science is your god, look out. Don't put your blind faith in men, just because they went to college. Science has admittedly been wrong in the past and no doubt can and will be in the future.

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Tue, 01-27-2009 - 2:59pm

ITA and I would also add this web site to the list also:

http://unherdof.wordpress.com/page/5/