This is irritating...

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Registered: 09-09-2007
This is irritating...
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Fri, 01-23-2009 - 1:39am

I was flipping through one of the random free parenting type magazines that I have gotten in the mail in the last year and a half. (I'm sure from all those free diaper and formula forms I filled out back when dd was born) The one I was looking at was "Parents". I usually don't like it very much as most of the items they recommend are pretty pricey and their views on hot topics are usually very far from my own. This particular issue had a bunch of stuff about vaccines. I've seen these things before and been put off by how pro sided they are. I looked at their website and am just so effin peeved right now.

Here's one article:
http://www.parents.com/baby/health/autism/health-update-more-proof-that-vaccines-dont-cause-autism/

Here's a nice little nugget from that one:
<"But if you choose not to vaccinate your child, you are increasing his risk of contracting serious diseases that can lead to complications, hospitalization, and even death," says Dr. Fombonne. For example, after the MMR vaccine was first linked to autism in England, many parents stopped vaccinating their children -- and several children died during a measles outbreak in Ireland soon afterward.

For all the major childhood vaccinations (hepatitis B, rotavirus, DTaP, Hib, pneumococcal, polio, flu, MMR, chickenpox, hepatitis A, meningococcal), most experts agree that the many, many benefits from getting vaccinated far outweigh any possible side effects or risks.>

Here's another:
http://www.parents.com/baby/health/vaccinations/hows-and-whys-of-baby-vaccines/?page=1

Loved this (in regards to an alternate schedule):
"Sounds good in theory. But it's actually playing Russian roulette with your baby's health. "When you delay vaccines, you increase the period of time during which children are susceptible to diseases vaccines can prevent," Dr. Offit says. "Certain diseases -- like Hib, pneumococcus, and pertussis -- rear their head in the first year of life, so you need to immunize infants as quickly as possible."

Talk about scare tactics:
"Is it ever preferable for my child to get the natural disease?

No. The diseases we vaccinate children against can have serious consequences. Many parents today have had chickenpox. They recovered uneventfully, perhaps sustaining just a few scars from the pox.

But some children don't pull through quite so easily. In some cases, chickenpox can make children susceptible to infection and cause pneumonia. "

I also love that it talks about being careful when reading scary stuff about vaccines on the internet and tells it's readers to only believe the cdc or aap. Then it goes on to use more scare tactics pushing the vaccines.

I'm just peeved that this info can be in such a wide spread publication and be so one sided.

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Registered: 01-02-2009
Fri, 01-23-2009 - 8:43am

Are there drug ads in the print edition of Parents?

Note, also, that when they are talking about measles deaths, it is always somewhere else (Ireland), no date or reference is given, and the actual number is not provided, just several. This makes it pretty difficult for anyone to follow up on the info and see if it is accurate.

I went searching for information on the deaths in Ireland. Without more info it was hard to find anything, but I did find one item on, sorry, Whaleto:

"Some years ago much was made of two deaths from measles in Dublin. I tracked down the cases and found both children were already seriously ill before they contracted measles. But I was able to find this out only because of the openness of the Irish authorities. When a measles death was reported in Britain a few months ago, I was refused further information on the phoney grounds of 'confidentiality'. I was not planning to reveal the child's identity - only his general medical state - and the officials involved knew this. Creepier still was the carefully organised and mysterious attempt to scare me in to silence by sending me phoney letters from non-existent mothers claiming their children had nearly died because of my columns. Supposedly, the invented mothers had not given their children the MMR because they had read my articles, and the fictional children had then been seriously ill. If MMR is safe, why the lies and paranoia? --Hitchins"

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Registered: 01-02-2009
Fri, 01-23-2009 - 8:47am

here is a link to the complete Hitchens article which included the quote provided above:

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/hitchins.html

and, hurrah, I found an actual PubMed citation about the outbreak:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12867830

one interesting question: how many cases occurred but weren't reported?

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Registered: 12-14-2005
Fri, 01-23-2009 - 9:57am

"I'm just peeved that this info can be in such a wide spread publication and be so one sided."

I have a subscription to "Today's Parent" which is usually has 3+ or more vaccine ads contained within it. One-sided-ness maintains ad revenue.

Sad.






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Registered: 09-09-2007
Fri, 01-23-2009 - 11:19am

I was also bothered by the lack of references. Antivaxers get raked over the coals in messageboards for not providing references but if it's a provax article in a national publication then it's okay. It seemed to me that most of their research and/or "studies" was taken straight from the cdc page. Though, once on the cdc page I could find no references for the "studies". I don't mind whaleto. I know there are people (mostly provax) that discredit it but I think it's a fine jumping off point for more research exploration.

I'm not sure about the drug ads in the print edition. I would say yes. I'll have to look and see if I threw it out or not. I have a "Parenting" magazine here and there are many pharm drug ads throughout it.

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Registered: 09-09-2007
Fri, 01-23-2009 - 11:20am
I've also seen vaccine ads run at the top of this message board before. It's everywhere.
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Fri, 01-23-2009 - 11:23am

What I'd like to see is the numbers side by side of (from any time period or outbreak):

cases of the illness
if the cases were in vaccinated or unvaccinated
cases of complications from said illness and if these cases were in the vax or unvax
alongside cases of reported complications from vaccines at the same time

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Fri, 01-23-2009 - 8:54pm

At least the article uses the word "complications" but of course it still leaves the reader to interpret "chickenpox is deadly"...and that's usually what a parent walks away with after reading that type of trash. Believe it or not, I had a nurse actually say to me "your baby could die from the chickenpox if you don't get the vaccine!"

A Nurse!

She's lucky I was still on my just-delivered-a-baby-adrenalin-high at the time. A doctor came in behind her and just went on and on and on about the "risk". I was too happy to be bothered at the time but oh how I wish I could go back to that day and be in the mood to share some of what I now know about "the risks" .

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Registered: 08-20-2007
Sat, 01-24-2009 - 8:20pm

I was also bothered by the lack of references. Antivaxers get raked over the coals in messageboards for not providing references but if it's a provax article in a national publication then it's okay. It seemed to me that most of their research and/or "studies" was taken straight from the cdc page. Though, once on the cdc page I could find no references for the "studies". I don't mind whaleto. I know there are people (mostly provax) that discredit it but I think it's a fine jumping off point for more research exploration.


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Registered: 08-20-2007
Sat, 01-24-2009 - 8:30pm

"Some years ago much was made of two deaths from measles in Dublin. I tracked down the cases and found both children were already seriously ill before they contracted measles. But I was able to find this out only because of the openness of the Irish authorities. When a measles death was reported in Britain a few months ago, I was refused further information on the phoney grounds of 'confidentiality'. I was not planning to reveal the child's identity - only his general medical state - and the officials involved knew this. Creepier still was the carefully organised and mysterious attempt to scare me in to silence by sending me phoney letters from non-existent mothers claiming their children had nearly died because of my columns. Supposedly, the invented mothers had not given their children the MMR because they had read my articles, and the fictional children had then been seriously ill. If MMR is safe, why the lies and paranoia? --Hitchins"


See if he/she had just said 'I was refused further information on the grounds of confidentiality, they would be more believeable.


How does he/she know that these letter and such were fake?

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Registered: 01-02-2009
Sat, 01-24-2009 - 9:03pm

No idea about the letters.

I just went looking to find out about the "several deaths from measles" and shared what I found.

However, if you want a web-site which is critical about vaccines, but totally unhysterical, has citations for everything, and no conspiracy theories--

http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress

Lots of good info.

Read a few of the articles and then come back and let me know what you think.

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