Is it really vaccines?

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Registered: 05-24-2008
Is it really vaccines?
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Sat, 03-21-2009 - 9:45pm

I just read the book Fateful Harvest. Has anyone else read it? I suggest that the following issues may be related to children's health issues in the US. I'm not saying that vaccines aren't harmful, but it does seem that the focus on vaccines is distracting public attention from other potentially harmful practices. One of the issues I don't understand is why is it that autism and ADHD and other problems affect boys a lot more frequently than girls? Do boys really react so much differently to the chemicals in vaccines?

Here's the short list:

* Endocrine disrupting chemicals (http://www.epa.gov/ord/NRMRL/EDC/) (http://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/doczone/2008/disappearingmale/)
* Pharmaceuticals and personal care products (http://www.epa.gov/esd/bios/daughton/errata.pdf)
* Fire-retardant chemicals (http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/sunday/commentary/la-oe-blum17-2008oct17,0,6525043.story)
* Addition of industrial wastes contaminated with heavy metals and dioxins to fertilizers used for food crops (legal practice) (http://www.amazon.com/Fateful-Harvest-Global-Industry-Secret/dp/0060931833)

I guess routine contamination of our water and air should be added to the list, but it seems so obvious and it's been going on for so long.

Ana 2nd Christmas


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Mary Kay, mother to:

Ana Patricia - 7/18/07

Christina Maria - 8/28/10

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Sat, 03-21-2009 - 10:23pm

To answer your question, you should try and communicate with people who don't use those products and see how much Autism is found in their communities. Likewise, look at the unvaccinated population and tell me how much Autism is found among their community.

If there were anything to it then I would suspect someone would have created a website by now. That way, parents could see lists of parents with testimonies regarding their Autistic, never vaccinated children.

Instead what we have (if you dig) are many sites with real anecdotal evidence that the child suddenly changed (or died in the case of SIDS) following vaccines.

Reality doesn't sit well with Scientists.

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Registered: 05-24-2008
Sun, 03-22-2009 - 3:39am

"To answer your question, you should try and communicate with people who don't use those products and see how much Autism is found in their communities."

One of the points I was attempting to make (unsuccessfully apparently) is that no one is immune from environmental contaminants. This point is demonstrated in the book Our Stolen Future. Scientists were looking for the least contaminated place on earth. They thought that polar bears living in the arctic circle would be protected from human pollution. Wrong. As a result of bioaccumulation they actually had very high levels of EDCs in their bodies. So there is no unexposed community.

Prior to living in Pennsylvania I thought that Amish people lived very pure lifestyles. However, while working there I was able to witness Amish farmers applying chemicals to their fields. Using horse-drawn farming equipment, of course!

"Likewise, look at the unvaccinated population and tell me how much Autism is found among their community."

I would like to see this as well. The trick is to find two groups (vax and non-vax) with similar lifestyles, exposures to health hazards, etc.

"Instead what we have (if you dig) are many sites with real anecdotal evidence that the child suddenly changed (or died in the case of SIDS) following vaccines."

I don't disagree that vaccines cause reactions in some children. The cause and effect is not clear to me. For example, do vaccines cause autism or do autistic children respond differently to vaccines?

Ana 2nd Christmas


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Mary Kay, mother to:

Ana Patricia - 7/18/07

Christina Maria - 8/28/10
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Sun, 03-22-2009 - 4:34pm

"However, while working there I was able to witness Amish farmers applying chemicals to their fields. Using horse-drawn farming equipment, of course!"

I live in the country and this is a topic of discussion among my neighbors...

The people who use chemicals can not keep their chemicals on their own land because of runoff, erosion, etc. So when those chemicals invade other farms, the environmentally friendly products (used by the organic farms) become resistant and no longer work. Sometimes they are forced to use the chemicals. But then they switch back to the old stuff after a year or two. They just can't call themselves "organic" farmers.

In the US we have very strict rules governing pig farms but I've been told they are not strict enough. And from what I can tell, organic is not as organic as we think either. Not only that, when we bring organic products from other countries, we also bring many species of insects and killer spiders. Environmentalists say this will have a tragic effect on future food supplies. It's hard to see the big picture and the more I learn, the more I worry. I worked for the government for a while. The farmers I spoke to would make statements over and over that used to terrify me. I often brushed it off to conspiracy theories but then it began to happen so often that I just couldn't ignore it. What I learned when I finally looked for the truth - was that it was all true.

To sum it up, you are absolutely right. We can't escape harmful contaminants from ANY source - but we CAN do something about the way we manage them.

Do I think the other contaminates along with vaccines is the cause of all the neurological and autoimmune issues? No, because not everyone has neurological and autoimmune issues. So it seems like it would be something going on in the individual body at the time of the vaccination(s).

"For example, do vaccines cause autism or do autistic children respond differently to vaccines?"

That's the zillion-dollar question! I had the very same DPT shot that my brother did...but not from the same lot. His life was forever changed, I escaped with just a *few* autistic-like tendencies ;)

That book looks interesting! Thanks for mentioning it!

And did we welcome you to the board? If not, sorry, I'm not good about doing that --- but welcome to the board!!!

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Registered: 10-18-2007
Mon, 03-23-2009 - 11:27am

I positively love that book. I have a very close friend that lives fairly close to the scene of that crime.

The environment most certainly can affect gene expression. I'd add the book Inside the Brain, by Dr. Ronald Kotulak. There is a very interesting snippet about the Grand Canyon tiger salamander and its transformation when the canyon becomes overcrowded. They actually change physical form, and become extremely aggressive and cannibalistic. Once they've eaten enough of the their own to reduce population, they turn back into previous docile, insect-eating form.

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Registered: 05-24-2008
Wed, 03-25-2009 - 1:58am

"Inside the Brain, by Dr. Ronald Kotulak"

Thanks for the recommendation! I love these types of books.

Here's another good one: "Flu, by Gina Kolata" The topic is relevant to vaccines and there's a lot of information about how they messed up all of the early flu shoots in the 70s (even worse than today). Basically, I think that if there is another 1918 flu epidemic, the vaccine producers will probably miss it and the flu shot will not be protective. My opinion is based on their current ability to predict which strains of flu will be relevant in the coming flu season.

Ana 2nd Christmas


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Mary Kay, mother to:

Ana Patricia - 7/18/07

Christina Maria - 8/28/10
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Wed, 03-25-2009 - 2:00am
Thanks for the welcome! Based on your experience with agriculture, you would love the book!

Ana 2nd Christmas


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Mary Kay, mother to:

Ana Patricia - 7/18/07

Christina Maria - 8/28/10
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Registered: 07-17-2005
Wed, 03-25-2009 - 5:57pm
I don't have experience really, I'm just learning myself. :)
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Registered: 08-11-2007
Tue, 03-31-2009 - 7:56pm

Thanks for the scoop.

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Registered: 09-09-2007
Tue, 03-31-2009 - 11:32pm

It makes me a little curious that you put such an emphasis on what you ingest but not what you inject. Do you not think that all the other things in the vaccines are as harmful if not probably more harmful than eating processed foods? Not to mention the drastic difference between ingesting and injecting. That's great that you are trying to get mercury free shots. What about the aluminum? What about the ammonium sulfate? The Beta-propiolactone? Hydrochloric acid? MSG? Neomycin? Why object to a processed food diet but not object to injecting all these things into a body?

Don't get me wrong. I completely agree that people eat too much crap these days and that poor diet absolutely plays a part in health. Just wondering on the logic of processed food is bad but processed shot is good.

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Tue, 03-31-2009 - 11:53pm

"that children are dying from these illnesses when they could have been prevented."

That sentence makes my toes curl, lol!

Healthy children survived these diseases even before sanitary living conditions. And the shot wanes, plain-out never works, and is hit an miss at best...people are fooled to think vaccines are 100%. Just wait 'till your vaccinated child comes down with measles and chickenpox. That is when it was FINALLY drilled into my head that the vaccines often fail. OFTEN. So often that even the CDC and VAERS does not keep track.

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