Jenny Rips Amanda over Vaccinations

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Jenny Rips Amanda over Vaccinations
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Fri, 10-03-2008 - 10:59am

Jenny McCarthy rips Amanda Peet over vaccinations

Former Playboy Playmate Jenny McCarthy and actress Amanda Peet are publicly feuding over the safety of childhood vaccines. Who says there's nothing sexy about inoculations?

Their dispute revolves around the belief among some parents of children with autism—including McCarthy —that certain vaccines may trigger the disorder, although scientific research has shown no evidence of any link.

Peet, a mother and advocate for childhood vaccinations, said in a recent magazine interview that parents who don't vaccinate their children because of autism fears are "parasites."

That made McCarthy very angry, almost as angry as the people who paid to see her recent movie "Witless Protection," in which she starred alongside Larry the Cable Guy.

In an article published Wednesday in Spectrum Magazine, McCarthy said Peet "has a lot of balls to come forward and be on that side, because there is an angry mob on my side. I like the fact that I can say she's completely wrong."

Peet apologized for her word choice but called it irresponsible to suggest that groups like the American Academy of Pediatrics are engaged in a massive coverup of harmful vaccines.

McCarthy said in the article released Wednesday that the American Academy of Pediatrics "sucks."

Too bad the Wall Street bailout debate is devoid of celebrity combatants. Just imagine how spicy it would be if Heidi Klum was ripping Kate Hudson for her stance on credit default swaps.

Me-OW!

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/chi-talk-autismoct03,0,1275381.story






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Registered: 03-25-2003
Tue, 10-28-2008 - 12:19pm

Measles is not deadly?


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Registered: 03-25-2003
Tue, 10-28-2008 - 12:30pm

Thank you Jamie, that is a wonderful, unemotional and intelligent


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Registered: 10-18-2007
Tue, 10-28-2008 - 1:10pm

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Registered: 03-25-2003
Tue, 10-28-2008 - 3:30pm

LOL, did I say that?


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Registered: 07-17-2005
Wed, 10-29-2008 - 1:38am

I knew I shoulda waited to reply. I was too quick to reply. I should have said that in a developed country, in this era, childhood measles is not deadly. I don't believe it is, and that is not a lie. It didn't kill me, and that is not a lie. For thousands of years, people have gotten the measles and survived. That is why I believe that every single death has occured from complications - not the measles itself. Since the advent of Tylenol and Motrin, I believe 100% that those deaths would be linked to NSAID's IF someone was looking, but no one is. I have written-recall from my son's chicken pox days. I passionately believe today that *I* made his chicken pox worse by giving the Motrin and Tylenol back to back during his fever. I believe I could have killed him with the use of NSAID's.

And yes, I believe that vaccines cause Autism. That is the first time I have ever written it, but yes I did imply that it's what I believe. Believing in something, and saying that is what I believe certainly isn't a lie. And yes it is the group-speak of my side.

Maybe today's generation will give us a Scientist who has ethics and won't work for the CDC...where he'll work I don't know, but I pray for that person.

I do understand what you are saying about recall bias. But my parents are not the only ones with the same story...my brother did NOT have seizures before the vaccine. He did NOT flap his arms before the vaccine. He DID speak before the vaccine. He did smile before the vaccine. He did show affection before the vaccine. The doctor never denied that their was an adverse reaction from the vaccine. It makes me crazy when I read or hear a parent telling about the doctor's visit or the emergency room visit...today the doctor will dispute it almost every time. To me, all that is as simple as 2+2 - it all adds up. And so do the thousands, probably millions, of anecdotes. People like me - it's all they need. I base everything on logic (things that I actually think about anyway) and until you can explain why children are suddenly different after a vaccine and how that can have absolutely nothing to do with it - I'll never see any logic in your side. Maybe that recall bias excuse works for some people, it just doesn't in my case. I am not just hearing this from my Mom but Aunts too, and the daycare worker who I'm friends with today...yes, I went to the same daycare. But I do agree that some parents may be emotionally blinded.

"only because really nasty person who didn't have children told me that I was a horrible parent because I gave my child a vaccine and MADE him autistic."

I am really sorry that you had to deal with that, what an awful thing to hear/read!

"you choose to believe anecdote and those on anti-vaccination websites." I don't visit those sites unless a link takes me there, and then I don't hang out, I prefer the debate because it's always been a learning experience for me. I don't see how I could be open-minded if all I read was the anti-vax sites. I will honestly tell you that I have only briefly saw the other side (in my mind). When I do, all this reality reminds me that by brother was normal until he had that vaccine. His case was extreme though, so the before and after was like night and day. I realize others who got the DTaP showed less dramatic changes and they happened over days, not instantly.

"You do not have the proof of 1 in 150 at all." Now I'm confused. Isn't it those Scientists who's opinion you so fiercely believe in - aren't they the ones who say 1 in 150? I read that some cities have numbers like 1 in 80 boys???

"You have no definitive proof that every person who is diagnosed by autism has been vaccinated or hasn't." All I can do is laugh at that Judi! If we had a few hundred non-vaccinated children with Autism --- wouldn't the CDC have all the proof they need to shut me, and people like me, the hell up?

As far as irrational goes. A person who vaccinates a baby against a sexually transmitted disease is irrational. A person who fears extremely rare diseases and then fears the event that can only come after the first irrationality (and is also very rare)...lacks all logic. Now - let me admit to being that parent! When my daughter got the chicken pox...I was irrational for several days, even as long as a week. It wasn't her so much as the kids she exposed. But fortunate for me, not a single kid came down with it. The majority of the kids that she was exposed to during her most contagious days were not vaccinated. One kid spent the night. One kid was playing tug-of-war and was face to face with her, she didn't get it, nor did she carry it home to her siblings. It just amazed me that no one got it. One child has a rare condition and I became distraught and worried to the extreme...but his Mom was totally rational about it. I think that whole experience helped me to see my own irrational behavior and that was a good thing. Even if one of my kids got whooping cough now, I would behave more rational this time because I know that education and reading is all it would take to calm my fears. When she had the pox, all it took was a little reading and I wasn't irrational any more. That is why it is hard for me to understand why people from this board, who have been given the lowdown, are still fearing these diseases. Is it because they are not reading? Or is it because they fall for the whole "It's just a plane ride away" crap? Or maybe it's the two out of 300 million deaths caused by COMPLICATIONS that they fear? It is sooooo unlikely that anyone in the US would die from any of these childhood diseases contracted while they are children. That is just not a big enough number to incite fear in me.

I have never called you stupid and when I called you uneducated, we've been through this already - you know I meant uneducated about vaccines, not uneducated in general. I may not show it but I do respect your opinions. I just wish we could end the vaccine debates once and for all. Maybe one day that will happen!

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Registered: 03-25-2003
Wed, 10-29-2008 - 9:00am

But I am educated about vaccines my dear, I just simply don't believe they are the evil thing you believe them to be.


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Registered: 10-18-2007
Wed, 10-29-2008 - 9:13am

It was a while ago, and I don't remember the exact context of our discussion?

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Registered: 03-06-2007
Wed, 10-29-2008 - 9:25am

Who said I'm unaware? I'm actually quite aware of the debate and issue.

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Registered: 03-25-2004
Wed, 10-29-2008 - 12:57pm

I think whatever your perspective is on vaccinations, probably 99% of the opinion you have, on either side, comes from experience.

    Apraxia Awareness
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Registered: 12-14-2005
Wed, 10-29-2008 - 11:55pm

I have a moment to pop in (ugh I hate it when I am away and so busy - I miss my little girl and husband!)

"I think whatever your perspective is on vaccinations, probably 99% of the opinion you have, on either side, comes from experience. When I had DD, I thought people who didn't vaccinate were complete morons. I really did. Now that I've seen the reactions my sons have had from them, I think differently. "

ITA, I thought people who did not vaccinate were nuts also - I bet I could probably find some really old posts on a local message group where I said as much until my experience changed also. Thankfully, our Doctor agrees and wrote a letter to public health stating the adverse events from Hep B vaccination and that she would not administer any more injections.

The fact I had measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, etc and was fine also colours my opinion further.

I really think what you have experienced influences your opinion on ANY debate issue (not just vaccinations).






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