Jenny Rips Amanda over Vaccinations

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Jenny Rips Amanda over Vaccinations
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Fri, 10-03-2008 - 10:59am

Jenny McCarthy rips Amanda Peet over vaccinations

Former Playboy Playmate Jenny McCarthy and actress Amanda Peet are publicly feuding over the safety of childhood vaccines. Who says there's nothing sexy about inoculations?

Their dispute revolves around the belief among some parents of children with autism—including McCarthy —that certain vaccines may trigger the disorder, although scientific research has shown no evidence of any link.

Peet, a mother and advocate for childhood vaccinations, said in a recent magazine interview that parents who don't vaccinate their children because of autism fears are "parasites."

That made McCarthy very angry, almost as angry as the people who paid to see her recent movie "Witless Protection," in which she starred alongside Larry the Cable Guy.

In an article published Wednesday in Spectrum Magazine, McCarthy said Peet "has a lot of balls to come forward and be on that side, because there is an angry mob on my side. I like the fact that I can say she's completely wrong."

Peet apologized for her word choice but called it irresponsible to suggest that groups like the American Academy of Pediatrics are engaged in a massive coverup of harmful vaccines.

McCarthy said in the article released Wednesday that the American Academy of Pediatrics "sucks."

Too bad the Wall Street bailout debate is devoid of celebrity combatants. Just imagine how spicy it would be if Heidi Klum was ripping Kate Hudson for her stance on credit default swaps.

Me-OW!

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/chi-talk-autismoct03,0,1275381.story






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Registered: 07-17-2005
Sun, 11-02-2008 - 12:58am

I am sure that I would like hanging out with you too Judi. My best friend and I disagree on this subject so we don't discuss it. If we were internet friends and never saw each other in real life, it is possible that we could argue about this sensitive subject. I guess disagreeing is easier online than face2face :) so let's go at it, shall we?

One in 150 children are diagnosed with autism. We don’t know that vaccines didn't cause all children to have autism. I have asked for proof that non vaccinated children have Autism (besides Andrew) and you have yet to back this up with proof – because you don’t have any. You simply DO NOT. You aren't using logic Judi...you think you are, but you're not.

“And no, I don't believe that you would believe it if the CDC presented a thousand non vaccinated kids with autism to you.”

I don’t care if it’s the CDC or who it is. I’m just asking for ANYBODY to show me some proof of unvaccinated kids with Autism. Many other people are asking for the same so if you have it – it could be worth millions – offer it up, we’re all waiting and wondering where this data is...and you had it all along? ; )

“Honestly, if God himself came down to you and said "it's not the vaccines" I think you wouldn't believe Him either.”

I’ve prayed about discontinuing this fight, I keep at it for a reason. Somebody has to stand up, so few have time or make time, regardless of how passionate their beliefs are. If I were not meant to be doing this, I wouldn’t be.

You can believe that vaccines don’t cause autism, but the science simply doesn't back you up. Plenty of studies show a possible link. Also, there’s that matter of suppressed data. In Nov of 2002 a congressman by the name of Dan Burton wrote to President Bush asking federal courts to conceal important documents and any data linking vaccines to Autism. Wonder why?

Telling people that vaccines don’t cause autism is a lie...plain and simple. You don’t know the truth so to assume the opposite is a lie is bizarre. You are using scare tactics and perpetuating a fear of diseases. That fear that you are perpetuating hurts every single soon-to-be autistic person on this planet. That fear is going to make the numbers grow. Don't you see that?

“You can believe what you want about why children have died from the measles in developed countries. Bottom line is, it can be a deadly disease and whether or not it happens often here, doesn't make it non-deadly. Do the vast majority survive? Sure they do, but at what cost?”

You can believe what you want to believe as well, but here are the facts -
From 1915 to 1965 the measles death rate was steadily decreasing. Source: International Mortality Statistics 1981:182-83.

In 1984 58% of all school-aged children in the US who contracted measles were adequately vaccinated. In 1985, there was a measles outbreak in Corpus Christi, TX. 99% of the population was vaccinated. In 1986, there was a measles outbreak in Dane County, WI. 96% of the cases were in vaccinated people. In 1998, 69% of all school-aged children in the US who contracted measles were adequately vaccinated. In 1989, 89% of all school-aged children in the US who contracted measles were adequately vaccinated. In 1995, 56% of all measles cases in the US occurred in people who were previously vaccinated. Source: New England Journal of Medicine 1987;316:771-74. Journal of the American Medical Association 1990;263:2467-71. Also several CDC MMWR’s.

With the advent of the ever-so-shedding vaccine, yea, it’s no wonder that the disease is still around. It’s foolish to consider that eradication is even possible. But that kind of logic doesn’t make anyone any money does it? It is also foolish to think measles is deadly – even your trusted CDC said so back in 1967. Source: see attachment.

“One in 1000 deaths...encephalitis causing mental retardation...the disease that children who seem to have recovered from the measles get 10 years down the line that kills them (I can't for the life of me remember what the name of it is)?”

I am not sure what you’re talking about there unless you mean the Chickenpox and Shingles (if you do mean CP and shingles, you have it all wrong). But if you want to talk about death by measles vaccine – let’s go there...

In 1990, 1500 minority babies were experimented on, despite that the WHO and the CDC already knew that the vaccine was deadly. The deadly vaccine was the high-titer measles vaccine (EZ-HT). One in every 6 of those babies died within three years. Source: Lancet October 12, 1991. Parents were lied to by the CDC. They were told that the vaccine had been used in Europe. That was a lie. They were told that the babies were selected from a area in Los Angeles county with extremely high rates of measles, when in fact, 14 of 24 regions within that county had higher rates of measles. Why didn’t they use babies from those areas? Probably because it was not as easy to blame the deaths on lack of health care and poor nutrition. there were more lies behind this particular experiment but reading about it is making me nauseous, typing it would likely make me puke.

How many deaths from vaccine experiments are OK in order to raise the value of stocks and pad bank accounts? One? 20? If only the real numbers could be that low!!!

Honestly, I wish the lies would stop...it's just not helping Autistic persons. It's taking valuable time and resources away from what they really need which is the truth. It’s just too bad that people with money won’t fund the studies and people who fund the studies are swimming in conflicts of interest.

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Sun, 11-02-2008 - 1:10am

"Who said I'm unaware? I'm actually quite aware of the debate and issue."

Sorry, it wasn't obvious just by reading your posts but if you say so...

And for the record, babies need to suck, it's natural. My first baby had a pacifier, my second baby had her thumb so I'm not debating that issue at all. I will say that taking the thumb was much harder than taking the pacifier! Also, I believe that if you wait to long too stop either habit, it *can* become a problem.

Each Mom knows her child best and each Mom does what she thinks is best. The important thing is to have all the facts that you can gather and be open minded to learning new ones. I've been at this for over 12 years and I don't have them all, that's why I keep showing up here and on boards like this one, year after year. I'm not afraid of learning something new and I'm not afraid of admitting that I was wrong either. But it seems some people are born with all the knowledge they ever want or need so they are angered when people try to help them or teach them something new. Personally, I don't understand that mentality but to each his own.

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Sun, 11-02-2008 - 1:12am

"When I took the boys in at 12 months for their shots, they had a fever. They were already fighting something. They gave them their immunizations anyway stating, "If we waited until every toddler was perfectly well before giving them their shots, then they'd never get all of them.""

Oh dear God, that makes me mad!!!

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Sun, 11-02-2008 - 1:18am

Have a safe trip Tash!

"The fact I had measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, etc and was fine also colours my opinion further."

I agree, I had all those except rubella, my mother confirmed the other day that I never had it. I didn't get an MMR either. Yet both times I was pregnant, my blood showed antigens for rubella. I guess my immune system did it's job.

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Registered: 03-06-2007
Mon, 11-03-2008 - 11:11am

The study most non-vaccine debaters refer to the Lancet report about MMR, which was retracted. Thermisol was pulled in 1999 and it isn't in the vaccines anymore. Most medical experts agree that autism is already in the child's system and something triggered it, whether an illness, vaccine, or the fact that you can't tell the child has it until the child is ready to communicate.


Do I think that a combo drug of about 5 drugs at once is a lot for a kid to have? Yes. But in 1971, we had it to and we were fine.


Do I think that diet can help curb the symptoms or possibly cure as in Jenny McCarthy's child? Sure, anything is possible.


I do agree with the pacifier and will give it to my child. I don't know what is the obsession with a friend who refused to have their infant have it and insists I shouldn't. Know her recreational pot use around the kid, a pacifer at infancy is something way less important then toking a fatty in the basement when she's supposed to watch the kids.

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Registered: 12-14-2005
Mon, 11-03-2008 - 1:12pm

"Thermisol was pulled in 1999 and it isn't in the vaccines anymore."

Partially true. See this table from the FDA for vaccines administer to 6 and under:
http://www.fda.gov/CBER/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#t1

Tripedia (DTaP) not thimerosal free until 2001.
Pediarix (DTaP-HepB-IPV) not thimerosal free until 2007.
Engerix B (Hep B) not thimerosal free until 2007.

Vaccines still contains thimerosal:

Fluzone (Sanofi Pasteur, Inc) 0.01% (12.5 µg/0.25 mL dose, 25 µg/0.5 mL dose)2
Fluvirin (Novartis Vaccines and Diagnostics Ltd) 0.01% (25 µg/0.5 mL dose)
Fluvirin (Novartis Vaccines and Diagnostics Ltd) Trace (<1ug Hg/0.5mL dose)

See this expanded list of of CURRENT vaccines with thimerosal contents:

http://www.fda.gov/CBER/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#t3






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Registered: 03-06-2007
Mon, 11-03-2008 - 1:26pm

Thank you and you're right. The flu is questionable for me since I have never had one until 37 years old and I'm pregnant. I never got them as a kid but I also know any illness can turn deadly, even the flu.


I think parents make the right choice for them--vaccine or not. I'm sure we'll do fine in the end once the time comes.

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Registered: 04-28-2007
Mon, 11-03-2008 - 9:21pm

Except the Lancet report was puled due to a technicality in how he presented his data and not actually based on the science at hand.

Thimerosol still is present in many vaccines except it's now in "trace" amounts.

"Most medical experts agree that autism is already in the child's system and something triggered it, whether an illness, vaccine, or the fact that you can't tell the child has it until the child is ready to communicate."

Proof please, what medical "experts" are you pertaining to?

"Do I think that a combo drug of about 5 drugs at once is a lot for a kid to have? Yes. But in 1971, we had it to and we were fine." YOU were "fine." However, what specific vaccine are you discussing?

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Registered: 12-27-2005
Mon, 11-03-2008 - 11:24pm
I'd like to know what 5 in ones there were back then.

 

Tracy - wife to Ron since 9/9/03, mom to college sophomore, Jason (18), high school Junior Chase
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Registered: 04-28-2007
Tue, 11-04-2008 - 8:52pm

"I'd like to know what 5 in ones there were back then. "

Exactly! All my vaccines in 1975 were singular: polio, measles, Pertussis and tuberculosis. Actually I didn't receive pertussis vaccineas there were too many neurologically damaged children from it so my mother fought tooth and nail....LOOOOOVE her!!!

Dee

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