Just thought I would ask this question

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Fri, 04-11-2003 - 1:49pm
How many of you really think that Pertussis is a "harmless" disease???

IMO it is not so harmless. My DD Lindsey who got Pertussis at 3weeks diagnosed at 5 weeks old is still to this day dealing with the effects from it. She got a cold back in Feb. Her first one of the winter season. You would think it was nothing. Her cold went away, but she has had a cough for the last two months. I have had to take her back to the peds office several times. In fact she and I were talking about how it was dejavu all over again. Lindsey is BACK on Pulmicort which was once a day and now is back up to two times a day. She was then put on Zyrtec, if this does not work we are looking at abuterol treatments 3 times a day. Then it will be testing. I am so frustrated with the whole thing. Ok, sorry to have brought this here. Just MHO that this is not something I would WANT any child to get. Any adult for that matter. Specially after watching my DH go through it. It just strikes me as odd that people would call this a "harmless" disease.

God Bless,

Carla

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Fri, 04-11-2003 - 7:48pm
FTR, I do not assume pertussis IS a harmless disease. I don't think any disease can be considered universally harmless; there will always be some for whom it is anything but. For many, possibly the majority, pertussis resolves without complications, but there will always be some who experience more serious effects. I know my mom had it, as did all her other 4 siblings, with no problems beyond the illness itself. I myself have likely had it as an adult, when it is typically never diagnosed due to its milder course. The most at risk are indeed the very young, as their bodies/passages are simply not as large/able to cope with the coughing and respiration issues. I'm sorry your child had problems.

That said, I must point out that the vaccine is not harmless, either. It is still one of the more reactive of the recomended vaccines for children, despite the improvements made.

This was the one that my then 2 mth old son reacted to with several hours of convulsions and screaming, severe swelling and irritation at the injection site, and other symptoms.

Based on my experience with the vaccine, I would rather take my chances with the disease any day. You, having seen your child suffer from the disease and not suffer from the vaccine (presumably, as you don't mention it) understandably prefer to accept the risks of the vaccine over the "devil you know". I completely understand that perfectly natural parental instinct! The "devil *I* know" is the vaccine.

Kimberly, mom to Forest, 11 and Lily, 3

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Fri, 04-11-2003 - 10:26pm
Kimberly I am sure that seeing your son have a reaction to this vaccine was VERY upsetting. My thing is I have only known 3 people out of the COUNTLESS parents who vaxed their children and have had a reaction to it. I am not FTR saying that it can not happen. Yes I would rather have given my daughter that shot then watch her suffer the way she did, as I am sure you would have rather NOT have given your son that shot. I just was saying that it is amazing how many people think Pertussis is NO big deal. Yes my DH came out if it ok, well he still can not laugh without having a major coughing fit. yet he went through it fine. My MAIN concern is really for these helpless babies that do not have large enough airways to handle this disease the way most older children would. Not to mention the issues my DD has been dealing with since. Can I ask you one thing though? Was this the DTP shot? Cause I was wondering what part of the vax might actually cause the reaction? Since I have been told that the Pertussis part is a dead cell not live.

How is your son now? Has he had any lasting effects from his reaction? Do not get me wrong Kimberly I know that we all have are reasons for being so pationate about the sides we are on. The one thing we all in common is the love we have for our children and the ideas that we are doing or going to do the best for them. That of course is what makes us GREAT mommies I think LOL.

I pray that your son has NO lasting issues from his vax and I pray that my DD does not have anymore issues from this nasty disease. Although I am sure we are in for a long ride. lol

God Bless,

Carla

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Sat, 04-12-2003 - 1:16pm
Harmless compared to what? My son is now 4 yrs old and we are still dealing with the effects of vaccines. He was on and off albuterol, sometimes his treatments were often as every 1.5 hours. He no longer sweats beneath his head when he sleeps. We are still waiting for him to grow, he weighs around 24-25 pounds. We're still working on the appetite issues. There are risks and benefits to vaccinating and not vaccinating, you just have to decide which you would rather deal with.

Christine

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Sat, 04-12-2003 - 11:27pm
Certainly not me - I've seen people of all ages with pertussis and, for most if not all, the disease is far from harmless. I have seen a handful of kids with pertussis vaccine reactions but comparing those to the kids with pertussis disease is not even close. IMO, the only thing that anti-vaxers have to cling to is the idea that pertussis vaccine reactions result in non-specific, ill-defined "long term" consequences that could be the result of, literally, *anything*. Pertussis, without a doubt, damages the lungs and long-term lung consequences are much more plausible than the "vaccine damage" claims such as the non-specific signs Christine mentioned. I just can't see how Christine can claim "vaccine damage" given her child's underlying diagnosis of Scimitar syndrome. I can only imagine what could happen to a child with Scimitar syndrome who actually contracts pertussis disease.

Eve

 
 
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Sun, 04-13-2003 - 11:18pm
Here's my answer to your question, "I just can't see how Christine can claim "vaccine damage" given her child's underlying diagnosis of Scimitar syndrome."

I can claim vaccine damage because over the years I have contacted several experts who have years of experience with scimitar syndrome. Not one of them believed Noah's symptoms to have anything to do with his scimitar syndrome. One surgeon in particular has followed 11 cases since surgery and not one of them have any symptoms similar to Noah's. Also, as I have stated before, Noah was steadily gaining weight for 7.5 months, then RIGHT AFTER HIS SHOTS he began to LOSE WEIGHT, and ALL HIS OTHER SYMPTOMS started, the sweating beneath his head as he slept, stopped eating, respiratory problems. He had none of those problems BEFORE the shots, for 7.5 months of his life. He was fat and chubby and happy. He changed almost literally overnight. There is no other significant thing that happened to trigger these changes. He is just now really beginning to increase his appetite. If his scimitar syndrome was the cause of his problems, why have most of them resolved now?

And that is why I claim vaccine damage.

Christine

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Mon, 04-14-2003 - 12:55am
Sorry, but I'll take that with a huge amount of salt. I'm sure it's all in the presentation Christine - what parts of your discussion that you shared with the various doctors to arrive at the conclusion that you had already preconceived. How can a child with multiple congenital anomalies NOT be at risk of those same symptoms/signs that you describe regardless of vaccine status/timing? On the other hand, we have children with various underlying diagnoses that we *know* are related to growth issues, respiratory problems, etc, etc, who are vaccinated and do extremely well - better than expected. Shall we CREDIT vaccines for those ones?

Eve

 
 
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Mon, 04-14-2003 - 9:46am
Use all the salt you want Eve, I shared my son's vaccines records straight from his dr with the experts I spoke with. What do you think I would have left out? The timing is too SIGNIFICANT to be ignored. Just as there are healthy children with NO underlying problems that are felled by vaccine, the same can be said for those not so healthy to begin with. On the otherhand, my son was "repaired". His heart was patched and the faulty lung removed, so technically, he did not have any underlying problems at the time of vaccination, and considered "safe" to vaccinate.

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Mon, 04-14-2003 - 11:52am
Christine,

My 5yo DS, who only weighs 34 pounds, sweats while he sleeps and is a very picky eater. He could go all day without food. Also, he was fat till around 7 or 8 months, too. Oh, and mild asthma. What vaccine do you attribute your child's problems to? You got me nervous with the "sweats beneath his head while he sleeps" thing. I just thought some kids did that. Is it abnormal? And when you say "beneath his head" to you mean the part that is in contact with the pillow? It's just creepy that your child sounds just like mine and I have never even thought about vaccines being the problem.

How old was your child at 1 year. Mine was 18 pounds.

Just curious.

Lucky


Edited 4/14/2003 12:06:00 PM ET by lucky30605

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Mon, 04-14-2003 - 11:06pm
I wasn't referring to what was "left out" Christine - but the manner in which the "facts" were no doubt presented. You didn't comment on the same "too coincidental" effect we've seen from vaccines on children who do VERY well with congenital anomalies. We could claim the same relationship to vaccines and thank them for "helping" just as easily as what you claim - and just as silly.

>>"His heart was patched and the faulty lung removed, so technically, he did not have any underlying problems at the time of vaccination"<<

Good grief, how can a child with a single lung be declared to have "no underlying problems"? That's exactly my point.

Eve

 
 
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Tue, 04-15-2003 - 2:23am
I answered that above,

"I wasn't referring to what was "left out" Christine - but the manner in which the "facts" were no doubt presented."

The manner in which the "facts" were presented was by submitting a copy of my son's medical records.

"You didn't comment on the same "too coincidental" effect we've seen from vaccines on children who do VERY well with congenital anomalies."

I have in the past, some don't fare very well with the vaccines.

"We could claim the same relationship to vaccines and thank them for "helping" just as easily as what you claim - and just as silly."

Hmm, so if there is no problem after vaccinations, the vaccines helped, but if there are problems, then it's just silly. Now that IS silly.



>>"His heart was patched and the faulty lung removed, so technically, he did not have any underlying problems at the time of vaccination"<<

"Good grief, how can a child with a single lung be declared to have "no underlying problems"? That's exactly my point."

What is your experience/history with patients living with one lung?

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