Law and Order

iVillage Member
Registered: 09-09-2007
Law and Order
11
Wed, 04-29-2009 - 11:04am

So, Law and Order SVU has always been one of my favorite shows. After last night's episode I'm not sure if I'll ever watch again. Did anyone else see this?

http://www.nbc.com/Law_and_Order_Special_Victims_Unit/video/clips/selfish-428/1093054/

I think that's only a clip.

In a nutshell, it started like they were doing the Caylee Anthony case and in the blink of an eye they turned it into a murder trial against a mom who chose to not vaccinate her child.

I watched in blind rage as they put a mom on trial after she chose to not vaccinate her child, he got measles, had no symptoms and passed it to a child who later died.

I told my hubby that if the jury had found her guilty I would have thrown the iron in my hand through the tv!

It seems a bit too coincidental to me that immediately after this show that was laden with scare tactics about what happens if you don't vaccinate, our local news came on with the top story on the swine flu and that the vaccine will be available really soon.

Doesn't it take years to develop a vaccine? How could they possibly have a vaccine for an illness that has just mutated and sprung up to kill us all? (ok, a little sarcasm)

It's a good thing that networks have highly popular shows to spread their ignorance.

#1 - Any talk of forced vaccines is a serious civil liberties violation. Am I the only one who is scared at the thought that the government can make a law in which they can force you to put that crap in your child and they wouldn't be held liable for the adverse effects???

#2 - A parent that gives their child a vaccine with a live virus then takes that child to the park where another child gets the virus and later dies. Will that parent be put on trial??? Surely not.

#3 - These vaccines kill kids. Are the pharm companies on trial?

#4 - Think about the dwindling interest in flu vaccines in the last couple of years. All of a sudden we've got a scary new flu and, well what do we have here...a vaccine for it! Praise the lord!

#5 - The numbers that are thrown around regarding the number of deaths from illnesses are ridiculous. There is no background history mentioned. Living conditions are completely disregarded. No comparison between the number that died from the vaccines themselves. No comparison between the number that died from medical mistakes. Only the scary statements like "123 kids died during the measles outbreak in the 90s". Are you kidding me???? How about fixing the ridiculous reporting system so that people will know the truth about all the kids who die from vaccines?!!

Shows like last night's Law and Order are negligent and purpetuating ignorance. It frightens me to think of the people who were watching that show last night. It saddens me to think of the mom who was wondering about not vaccinating and saw that show, only to be scared into vaccinating by it.

Oh dear lord, now I'm hearing my kid's show on PBS. Martha Speaks. Seems it's a show about vaccines... What next?

Photobucket




Photobucket

Pages

iVillage Member
Registered: 06-24-2008
In reply to: robin_3764
Wed, 04-29-2009 - 11:40am

I am also a pretty big Law & Order fan .. but as I mentioned in another thread .. digital tv conversion = no more tv for us! :-p

Anyway .. about the years for vaccine development .. there is something with flu vaccines that allows for them to be quickly formulated and sold / administered and I don't know the whole process, but part of DH's vaccine work was with flu vaccines so I can ask him how that works if anyone actually cares to know. (:

Not saying its necessarily a safe / good option .. but there is a way that it gets done every year, based on the epidemiological studies of flu around the world.




Photobucket




Photobucket





Photobucket



PhotobucketPhotobucket




Photobucket
iVillage Member
Registered: 04-09-2008
In reply to: robin_3764
Wed, 04-29-2009 - 12:22pm

I was waiting for someone to mention it. :-)

Rands

iVillage Member
Registered: 09-09-2007
In reply to: robin_3764
Wed, 04-29-2009 - 1:16pm

I'm of the opinion that the reason the shot is coming practically alongside the illness is because this is all a big farce.

Here's a great article by Dr. Mercola...

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/04/28/Swine-Flu.aspx

Points of interest:

"On April 27, Time magazine published an article which discusses how dozens died and hundreds were injured from vaccines as a result of the 1976 swine flu fiasco, when the Ford administration attempted to use the infection of soldiers at Fort Dix as a pretext for a mass vaccination of the entire country."

"My guess is that you can expect to see a lot of panic over this issue in the near future. But the key is to remain calm -- this isn't the first time the public has been warned about swine flu. The last time was in 1976, right before I entered medical school and I remember it very clearly. It resulted in the massive swine flu vaccine campaign.

Do you happen to recall the result of this massive campaign?

Within a few months, claims totaling $1.3 billion had been filed by victims who had suffered paralysis from the vaccine. The vaccine was also blamed for 25 deaths.

However, several hundred people developed crippling Guillain-Barré Syndrome after they were injected with the swine flu vaccine. Even healthy 20-year-olds ended up as paraplegics.

And the swine flu pandemic itself? It never materialized."

"As of Monday April 27, the worldwide total number of confirmed cases was 82, according to WHO, which included 40 cases in the U.S., confirmed by the Centers for Disease Control. But does that truly warrant the feverish news headlines?

To put things into perspective, malaria kills 3,000 people EVERY DAY, and it's considered "a health problem"... But of course, there are no fancy vaccines for malaria that can rake in billions of dollars in a short amount of time."

"Do you remember when President Bush said two million Americans would die as a result of the bird flu?

In 2005, in 2006, 2007, and again in 2008, those fears were exposed as little more than a cruel hoax, designed to instill fear, and line the pocketbooks of various individuals and industry. I became so convinced by the evidence AGAINST the possibility of a bird flu pandemic that I wrote a New York Times bestselling book, The Bird Flu Hoax, all about the massive fraud involved with the epidemic that never happened.."

"Just a couple of months ago, scientists concluded that the 1918 flu pandemic that killed between 50-100 million people worldwide in a matter of 18 months -- which all these worst case scenarios are built upon -- was NOT due to the flu itself!4

Instead, they discovered the real culprit was strep infections. "

"On Sunday, April 26, The Independent reported that more than 1,000 people had contracted the swine flu virus in Mexico, 8 but by the afternoon that same day, Mexican President Calderon declared that more than two-thirds of the 1,300 thought to have contracted the disease had been given a clean bill of health and sent home.9

Additionally, the number of actual confirmed cases appears to be far lower than reported in many media outlets, leading me to believe that many reporters are interchanging the terms "suspected cases" and "confirmed cases." "

" According to the Associated Press at least one financial analyst estimates up to $388 million worth of Tamiflu sales in the near future10 -- and that's without a pandemic outbreak.

More than half a dozen pharmaceutical companies, including Gilead Sciences Inc., Roche, GlaxoSmithKline and other companies with a stake in flu treatments and detection, have seen a rise in their shares in a matter of days, and will likely see revenue boosts if the swine flu outbreak continues to spread.

As soon as Homeland Security declared a health emergency, 25 percent -- about 12 million doses -- of Tamiflu and Relenza treatment courses were released from the nation's stockpile. However, beware that the declaration also allows unapproved tests and drugs to be administered to children. Many health- and government officials are more than willing to take that chance with your life, and the life of your child. But are you? "

The article goes on to talk about the likelihood of this virus not occuring naturally. It's a wonderful article and a good read.

Back to Law and Order...I'm still disgusted with the blatant advertising and fear mongering and also still very suspicious of the timing.

Photobucket






Photobucket
iVillage Member
Registered: 04-09-2008
In reply to: robin_3764
Wed, 04-29-2009 - 1:50pm

The same thing occurred with the anthrax mailing 2001. I still have haunted dreams of Cohen's (nominated the worst sec. of defense award and well deserved) stunt of the 5 lbs. bag of sugar.

Rands

iVillage Member
Registered: 09-09-2007
In reply to: robin_3764
Wed, 04-29-2009 - 2:53pm

I absolutely agree. I wonder if any parents of vaccinated kids have ever been tried or sued when their child vaccinated with a live virus passed it on? I know plenty of people who go out in public while they have the flu, a stomach bug, strep and countless other things.

One thing I liked in the Mercola article was his attention to the fact that people don't die "from the flu". I've said this before regarding people dying "from" measles and other things. People die from the secondary illnesses brought on by their poor immune systems not being able to fight off the initial virus. Like Mercola said, a virus by nature doesn't want to kill it's host. It needs it's host to survive. People get strep or pneumonia or other secondary illnesses that kill them. Or they already have a condition that escalates their deterioration. There are too many variables for the media to be bombarding us with unrealistic statistics of death.

I saw that about Japan and tamiflu. It's always something. They come out with these miracle drugs and less than a year later I'm seeing ads from lawyers asking if you or anyone you know took those drugs and now you can sue! Why not hand out the legal documents for suing along with the prescription and save some time!

I did like that the woman's lawyer made the comments about the "doctor" leaving out that death was a side effect. OT, who was that guy? He looked familiar. I think I've seen him in other things. SVU does have great guest stars. I've been bored with their story lines lately. I'm in love with Stabler but ever since Benson had the scare in jail every show has her talking about it to someone. Hubby and I have been calling it SRU (special rape unit). I love Munch too! He's always the voice of reason! They quieted him too much last night. With that story line he could have gone off. He did say that great part about what a slippery slope it is. I just hate to think that it affected anyone that had been on the fence about vax and now thinks they could go to jail. Scary to think that could happen!

Photobucket






Photobucket
iVillage Member
Registered: 04-09-2008
In reply to: robin_3764
Wed, 04-29-2009 - 3:22pm

Just as an FYI - with them pulling Tamiflu out with the EUA, there is no judicial review.

Rands

iVillage Member
Registered: 09-09-2007
In reply to: robin_3764
Wed, 04-29-2009 - 4:15pm

I concur about that lawyer guy!

I know that a lot of times I'll see previews for the show talking about how the upcoming show has been "ripped from the headlines" and other things. I know they at least use real stories to inspire their stories on both law and order shows. They do change them up though I never saw that change coming last night!

Photobucket






Photobucket
iVillage Member
Registered: 10-18-2007
In reply to: robin_3764
Wed, 04-29-2009 - 5:28pm

Writers are obviously paying attention. While most S&D ers and refusers altogether are still the minority, their numbers are growing. The actors in the clip made me laugh a little. I could see similarities in all the characters, of people I've engaged in with this discussion with online.

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-17-2005
In reply to: robin_3764
Thu, 04-30-2009 - 2:24pm

I don't watch the show but the video clip made me crazy while watching! Thank goodness I don't iron...don't even know where my iron is, lol! There was a recent episode of Private Practice where a child did die from I think measles and the doctors all wanted the parent jailed because she refused to vaccinate the other children - hello! The siblings were already exposed! Not a single mention of titers. I was really fired up after that show because of so many incorrect statements and groupspeak...it makes me crazy!

Forced and mandatory vaccines are our reality in this country I'm afraid. Here's some scary video and audio that explains what most American have no idea is happening:

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/606.html

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/609.html

I've seen similar stuff in the past and did not want to believe it but it can be verified easily.

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-17-2005
In reply to: robin_3764
Thu, 04-30-2009 - 2:32pm

"I watched in blind rage as they put a mom on trial after she chose to not vaccinate her child, he got measles, had no symptoms and passed it to a child who later died."

If he had no symptoms then how did they get the idea that the child passed it on?

Are we gonna start suing the vaccinated kids doctors when the stupid vaccine fails or wanes???

And I have not seen that Martha Speaks episode, Vannah loves that show!

Pages