Litigation and Communicable Disease

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Registered: 10-18-2007
Litigation and Communicable Disease
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Mon, 01-05-2009 - 11:46am

I've been reading some rather disturbing comments on a listserv lately, and I am curious... How many of you in favor of cumpulsory vaccination feel that if your child was exposed to a vaccine available disease, and contracted it, and it was determined that your child was in contact with an unvaccinated person (adult or child), you would assume it was their fault (due to vax status) and sue them?


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Registered: 09-09-2007
Thu, 01-08-2009 - 11:45pm

Why wasn't your ds vaccinated?

Here's my anecdote:
DH and 2 of his brothers were all young before the chicken pox vaccine was wide spread. Both brothers had major cases of it. DH-nothing. No vaccine. No pox. Both brothers had no vaccine and lots of pox.

What I think our anecdotes prove is that with or without the vaccines, some get sick and some don't. Vaccines are not 100% effective. Again though, my belief is that by keeping an immune system natural and healthy you are more easily able to fight off a naturally contracted illness.

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Registered: 07-03-2006
Fri, 01-09-2009 - 6:13am
Would you feel guilty if your child passed a disease on after being vaccinated with a live virus?
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Registered: 07-03-2006
Fri, 01-09-2009 - 6:19am

*Why wasn't your ds vaccinated?*


As I said previously, he was not old enough...he was only 6 months old.

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Registered: 01-02-2009
Fri, 01-09-2009 - 9:06am

Would you feel guilty if your child passed a disease on after being vaccinated with a live virus?
Unlikely.
Would it make you rethink your decisions?
Nope.
Would you feel guilty if your child had a seizure immediately after a vaccination that left them with brain damage?
Sad, but not guilty. Every day I drive my kids places in my car. I could get in an accident. There's a risk for just about every action we take. I weigh the risk vs. the benefit.
I think it's in poor taste to want a parent to feel guilty for decisions they think are in the best interest of their child.
But some decisions impact more than their child, like not vaccinating.

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See, the last statement is where I run into problems. My grandchildren are the 5th generation of mostly unvaxed people in my direct family. In those 5 generations, none of us have passed on a vaccine "preventable" illness once a vaccine was out there.

Some problems are fairly unlikely.

With vaccines, you have an invasive procedure. Breaks the skin. Injects foreign substances into the body. In order to justify this procedure, false data is published and distributed (see insidevaccines, any of the articles in the CDC watch category). Forcing this procedure on people is a major civil rights violation. At which point, someone always pops up and says "it isn't forced, there are exemptions." But a lot of people don't know there are exemptions because this information is concealed whenever possible.

IMO it is a dirty business from beginning to end.

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Registered: 09-09-2007
Fri, 01-09-2009 - 10:55am

Why should the parent of an unvaxed child feel guilty for disease exposure and you wouldn't?

I think it's an ideal thought to say you wouldn't feel guilty if something happened to your child. That was much more of a rhetorical question because every parent I know would feel guilt if a decision they made had an ill effect on their child. Yes, you put your children in a car and drive and there's a chance of an accident but vaccinating is more like putting your children in the car after you had a few drinks. Making a choice that could possibly have a negative effect on your child. Your child isn't choosing for you to drive drunk any more than they are choosing to have you let someone inject harmful toxins into their body.

Provaxers say the benefits of vaccines outweigh the risks. When I was pg with my ds I was on medication in which my dr said the benefits outweighed the risks. DS was premature. Dr's couldn't say for sure if the medication caused it. Just like the vax companies and all involved won't say for sure if the vaccines cause autism and brain damage. No matter what the dr's said I still felt guilty at the possibility that my ds was premature possibly due to something I did. I find it hard to believe that a parent wouldn't feel the slightest bit of guilt if their choice brought hardship on their child.

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Registered: 09-09-2007
Fri, 01-09-2009 - 10:58am
It's funny...I think about all the variables of these scenarios and how many different anecdotes we could share and wonder what has influenced your decisions. If your ds had been a child who didn't catch the pox due to bfing would you still be vaccinating?
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Registered: 07-03-2006
Fri, 01-09-2009 - 6:00pm

Absolutely.

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Registered: 01-02-2009
Fri, 01-09-2009 - 9:11pm

In my experience, the majority of parents who are now opposed to vaccinating used to be strongly pro-vaccination, or at least passively pro-vaccination.

They changed their position because they have a child with vaccine damage.

A tiny number are like me, from vaccine critical families.

A middle group decided against vaccines for various reasons. Some that I've seen:

Had a bad feeling about it, so started researching.
Knew someone who had a bad reaction or whose child had a bad reaction.
Heard about the controversy and started researching.
For some a particular vaccine was the last straw: the most common vaccines to tip someone into the vaccine critical camp were Hepatitis B, chickenpox and Hepatitis A.
Another common scenario is hearing multiple friends voice concerns about vaccines--after your chiropractor, your close friend and your cousin all express concern--why not do a little digging into the topic?

I have encountered some people who did research and decided that vaccines are great and their child will get everything and a little more.

I've encountered many more people who researched, decided vaccines are great, but they are going to skip some and delay a whole bunch.

What I'd like to see? The delayed, selective vaxers making common cause with the vaccine critics to fight for philosophical exemptions.

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Registered: 09-09-2007
Sat, 01-10-2009 - 12:00pm
I agree.
We are a family that "had a bad feeling about it and started researching". As we did our research we were confirmed in our "bad feelings". Same with most prescription and otc drugs.
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Registered: 01-02-2009
Sat, 01-10-2009 - 4:27pm

The vaccines are great versus the vaccine critics debate is largely about framing.

The vaccines are great side has to claim that anyone who asks questions is stupid and gullible and a conspiracy theorist and doesn't understand science. A major part of this is the denial of vaccine damage. Which adds a lot to the bitter pain of parents whose kids WERE damaged or killed.

So, I'm sorry, but if your research ended up with you losing your "faith" in vaccination, then it had to be flawed. You read the wrong stuff, or you misinterpreted what you read, or you were just too stupid to come to the right conclusions. There is no good path which leads to an anti-vaccine position.

Is that clear!?

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