Litigation and Communicable Disease

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Registered: 10-18-2007
Litigation and Communicable Disease
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Mon, 01-05-2009 - 11:46am

I've been reading some rather disturbing comments on a listserv lately, and I am curious... How many of you in favor of cumpulsory vaccination feel that if your child was exposed to a vaccine available disease, and contracted it, and it was determined that your child was in contact with an unvaccinated person (adult or child), you would assume it was their fault (due to vax status) and sue them?


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Registered: 09-09-2007
Sun, 01-11-2009 - 1:03pm

The "man" comments I thought to be obviously facetious. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough.

<<<*Their dr was told that by the pharm companies whose hands are in their pockets.*

This sounds like you believe doctors are being paid off by pharmaceutical companies or vice versa somehow. If that's not what you meant, then I'm sorry, I misunderstood.>>>

This is why you called my opinion a "conspiracy theory"?????
Do you seriously believe that the pharm companies do not influence doctors?

http://www.naturalnews.com/009334.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/02/opinion/02mon2.html

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/321/7276/1563

http://hubpages.com/hub/Are_Drug_Companies_Bribing_Our_Doctors

"From 1997 to 2005 drug makers paid more than 5,500 doctors, nurses and other health care workers in Minnesota at least $57 million. Another $40 million went to clinics, research centers and other organizations. The median payment per consultant was $1,000; more than 100 people received more than $100,000."

"As Gardiner Harris reported in The Times last week, one drug company invited doctors to a weekend training session in Orlando, Fla., to learn how to give marketing lectures to other doctors for an asthma medicine. The enticement was free airfare, a rental car and hotel room, plus a $2,700 stipend."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/oct/31/international.mainsection1

letter from a doctor: http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/2006/01/09/bribing_doctors_another_drug_marketing_trick.htm

http://muse.jhu.edu/login?uri=/journals/american_journal_of_bioethics/v003/3.3mansfield.html

I suppose it boils down to who you consider an authoritative body.

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Registered: 06-24-2008
Sun, 01-11-2009 - 1:19pm

I can't speak for other countries -- or even other states but in NY and Massachusetts pharmaceutical companies have been seriously limited in their ability to influence doctors / nurses (although nurses really have no impact in terms of prescribing so this is kinda a moot point) and even scientists. The University of Massachusetts -- for one example -- has adopted a policy that does not allow pharm companies to sponsor lunches / dinners, they cannot pass out mugs, pens or pads of paper with drug / pharm information on them .. no more freebies. Drug reps are not allowed to visit doctors to push their drugs and there are far less "free samples" available. If a drug rep is able to take a doctor out to lunch or dinner to try to push a product, it is no longer the elaborate / lavish thing that it used to be.. drug reps are allotted just enough money to pay for that one person's dinner -- the rep usually doesn't even get a full meal, and no drinks! -- so companies ARE cutting back on their big spending to push drugs on doctors and facilities, either because their budgets are requiring it or because facilities are adopting policies against this "drug pushing".

So while I won't be so naive as to believe that doctors are not being "bribed" at all .. it is much more limited than it used to be.. a couple of your sources are from 2007 but one is as old as 2005 -- a lot has changed in that time.



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Registered: 09-09-2007
Sun, 01-11-2009 - 1:38pm
You're right. A lot can change in time. Though, the fact that things are changing only proves my point that it exists and is not a "conspiracy theory". Thank you!
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Registered: 06-24-2008
Sun, 01-11-2009 - 3:40pm

it's definitely not a conspiracy theory .. doctors have been / do get bribed with incentives / perks from drug companies .. I think it's a good thing that these activities are on the decline, and definitely feel that for the drugs that people do need, there should be more options to pay for them and less expensive alternatives. :)

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Registered: 01-02-2009
Sun, 01-11-2009 - 5:11pm

Just to mention in passing that there is another way free samples given to doctors can be dangerous:

Many years ago, when I was a young chick, I was a patient of a nice doctor who tried to find ways to treat me at low expense since I was a single mom and very poor. So, when I needed birth control he kindly inserted this funny looking bug like thingy which he had received as a free sample. It turned out to be the brand which became infamous for harming women, the Dalkon Shield, I think it was called. He hadn't read the small print, as it was contraindicated for women who had already given birth. I was very lucky. All that happened was it slipped and I bled for a week before I got back to him and had it removed.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if poor folks who are being cared for by kind hearted doctors are often the beneficiary of free drugs and devices which may or may not fit their particular needs.

Falls into the category of unanticipated consequences, I guess. Free samples to get the doctor to try out a new product...

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Registered: 09-09-2007
Sun, 01-11-2009 - 6:19pm
I actually completely agree with you! ;-)
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Registered: 08-20-2007
Sun, 01-11-2009 - 6:50pm

From those who have mentioned what they do or have something in their profiles, I think only Melissa and her DH

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Registered: 08-20-2007
Sun, 01-11-2009 - 6:56pm

"As Gardiner Harris reported in The Times last week, one drug company invited doctors to a weekend training session in Orlando, Fla., to learn how to give marketing lectures to other doctors for an asthma medicine. The enticement was free airfare, a rental car and hotel room, plus a $2,700 stipend


You're lumping all medications into the "vaccine" category. This is about vax not asthma madicine.

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Registered: 08-20-2007
Sun, 01-11-2009 - 7:02pm

You seem to be so against pharm companies. What would you do if you or your child became seriously ill and had to be prescribed a medication? Would you just sit back and let the sun take care of it?


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Registered: 06-24-2008
Sun, 01-11-2009 - 7:07pm
well, after so much discussion I'm glad we found something we can agree on!! :)


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