Litigation and Communicable Disease

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Registered: 10-18-2007
Litigation and Communicable Disease
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Mon, 01-05-2009 - 11:46am

I've been reading some rather disturbing comments on a listserv lately, and I am curious... How many of you in favor of cumpulsory vaccination feel that if your child was exposed to a vaccine available disease, and contracted it, and it was determined that your child was in contact with an unvaccinated person (adult or child), you would assume it was their fault (due to vax status) and sue them?


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Registered: 06-24-2008
Sun, 01-11-2009 - 7:14pm

(Melissa, if you're reading this, did you get your monthly check from Pharma? Kidding, of course!).

I am reading :) Neither DH or I work for a pharm company and never have. We both did research for University of Massachusetts for a number of years (DH in vaccine development, virology and immunology and me in cancer biology). I now work for the University system as a nurse and DH is in medical school. That being said .. I wouldn't ever discourage anyone from doing their own reading and research. I think it's good for people to be skeptical and question things rather than take them at face value -- although some ideas are a bit far-out there and not fully based in truth or good research -- but that is why we debate :0).

I don't really think any of the anti-vax people here at flat-out wrong in their thinking .. just like I think any pro-vaxers who would say that everyone should be vaccinated with every vaccine under all circumstances would be wrong.

Anyway .. you all get my point :)



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Registered: 07-03-2006
Sun, 01-11-2009 - 7:25pm

::Reading while watching the Steelers whoop the Chargers, good day for the PA teams::


When I wrote that I was joking and playing on what I thought was Robin's insinuation that doctors and nurses are being paid off by pharma companies to shoot up our babies.

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Registered: 09-09-2007
Sun, 01-11-2009 - 8:16pm

Lol! That's what I was thinking. "Aww, it's nice we don't have to hate each other because we can agree on something." ;-)

I really do enjoy the discussions when you're involved. Even when we don't agree I know you aren't being hateful in any of your posts, unlike others. Your civil demeanor (as well as your hubby's) is much appreciated!

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Registered: 09-09-2007
Sun, 01-11-2009 - 8:18pm
Nope, sorry. The posts between Gina and myself were dealing with doctors being influenced by pharm companies. Never specified it was only in regards to vaccines.
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Registered: 09-09-2007
Sun, 01-11-2009 - 8:22pm

You seem to be against sunshine.

If you'll review a lot of my posts on this board, I do acknowledge that there are circumstances when medical intervention would be necessary. Both of the times that I've allowed it with my ds he got so much sicker that the second time he wound up in a hospital. We now take a natural approach anytime anyone in the fam has the sniffles (the most severe thing we've dealt with in a couple of years has been a stomach bug.) I cannot say for sure what circumstance would make me rethink my views of prescription drugs. My views on these things are not unfounded, though they have largely been formed by my own experiences and Gina seems to be the only one who enjoys trading anecdotes without condescension.

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Registered: 09-09-2007
Sun, 01-11-2009 - 8:24pm
Here's my confusion...
You said you understood I was being facetious with my "man" comments and claimed my "conspiracy theory" was because of my pharm in dr pockets comment. Now you agree that the doctors are being bribed, or at the very least influenced, by the pharm companies. Does my opinion cease to be one of "conspiracy"?
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Registered: 01-02-2009
Sun, 01-11-2009 - 8:33pm

"Sorry, Robin, but I place more faith in that population and in the LONG list of governmental, medical, scientific, etc. bodies all of which come down on the side of vaccinating, vs. some people who have done a lot of research at Google University."

Well...since I've had lots of bad experiences with doctors and regular drugs usually don't work for me with the exception of antibiotics, I don't quite see why I should have any huge faith in the medical authorities.

There is pretty good evidence going around that some of the research nowadays is being bent to fit pharmaceutical company agendas. Why this bending couldn't possibly apply to vaccines eludes me.

Prevnar was and is a hugely profitable vaccine. MMR ain't bad. Some of the other new ones are doing quite nicely. And Gardasil has done quite well and there are still hopes that it will do even better.

I'll admit the older vaccines aren't very good moneymakers, but there are a lot of news stories lately about big plans for future vaccine products and the large profits which are hoped for. In addition, many of the old standard vaccines are being eased out of the lineup and replaced with new, combination vaccines at much higher prices.

Finally, I don't do my research using Google. The majority of it has come from comparing the CDC material for parents with the CDC material for doctors. The two collections of information don't agree with each other very often, so someone is telling fibs...

The rest of my research has come from wading through medical journal articles. Where again, I discovered that things don't match up and some people are telling tall tales. Especially about disease incidence and the role of vaccines in reducing the mortality and morbidity from childhood illnesses.

Oh well, vaccines are more like religion than anything else. Who am I to undermine your faith...?

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Registered: 01-02-2009
Sun, 01-11-2009 - 9:10pm

Here is a news story about the vaccine business:
http://www.pr-inside.com/infectious-diseases-vaccine-market-overview-r995882.htm

quote:
Long being regarded as an unattractive market, vaccines have re-emerged as successful growth driver for Big Pharma. The launch and rapid uptake of novel, high-price products such as Wyeth´s Prevnar or Merck & Co´s Gardasil, along with the emergence of novel vaccine technologies and favourable legislation have brought vaccines back into the main focus of pharmaceutical and biotech companies.

Scope

*Market overview with current market assessment in terms of leading players, brands and geographies

*In-depth analyses of the leading 5 players´ portfolios, R&D pipelines, sales trends, geographic spread, licensing patterns and strategic outlook

*Discussion of key developments shaping the sector: new technologies, indications and geographies

*Snapshot profiles of second tier companies in the sector: strength in specialties

Highlights

With the exception of influenza, only two to three vaccine manufacturers compete for each disease. This lack of competition combined with public health requirements to guarantee a stable supply of vaccines has resulted in a recent upward shift of vaccine prices for specialty vaccines.

The most significant threat to the oligopoly of the Big 5 in the vaccines market comes from companies from emerging markets, which have large manufacturing capacities for biologics and are able to produce even complex substances like vaccines at low costs.

While vaccine sales have grown at a CAGR of 32% between 2004 and 2007 and shown an annual growth rate of 46% between 2006 and 2007, overall pharmaceutical sales have grown much more slowly, with both the 2004-2007 CAGR as well as the growth rate between 2006 and 2007 only reaching 8%.

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This is info meant for investors who are trying to decide which stocks to buy.

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Registered: 08-20-2007
Sun, 01-11-2009 - 9:17pm

I dont see pharm companies as money makers, to me they are saving my life right now for me to beable to be here with my children.


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Registered: 01-02-2009
Sun, 01-11-2009 - 9:24pm

"I don't see pharm companies as money makers, to me they are saving my life right now for me to be able to be here with my children."

That is great, I'm so glad you are being helped.

Amazingly, it is possible for a drug company to be saving one person's life while destroying another person's life for profit at the same time. These actions are not mutually exclusive in huge international corporations that produce thousands of products and distribute them worldwide.

So your good experience doesn't prove that other people haven't had bad experiences or vice versa.

Hang in there, I'm wishing you a long and healthy life!

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