Looking for info

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Registered: 01-12-2008
Looking for info
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Tue, 02-24-2009 - 12:07am
Hi I have never been on any of these debate boards before because I don't like to debate things. I am looking for info and I want to get all info I can by Thursday. I should start with telling you my story. I have a wonderful little girl on December 23. She was born at 37 weeks. She had no problems so the next day they sent us home. She did get the Hep B vaccine before coming home. About 20 minutes after coming home she stopped breathing and her heart stopped. My mother-in-law preformed CPR on her and she started breathing again. She was in the hospital for about a week. They did tons of tests and we left with them telling us that it was SIDS that we caught. WE are not totally satisfied with this answer so we where doing research on our own. We found this website that talked about how kids who went through the same thing as our daughter where latter found to have problems with their brains. We have not got her brain checked yet. WE are going to make an appointment to get this done on her 2 month appointment. Well anyways another thing we found with all this research is some scary things with the vaccine that she has received. We are now trying to figure out the truth behind these vaccines before her next appointment on Friday. She is due for more of the vaccines and we are now not sure if we want her to have them. That is why I came here. I am looking for any and all websites on vaccines. I would like both sides to this argument. I thought that everyone here would be able to help me since you can not argue your side without having facts. Thank you for your help.
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My little angel Jason Edward Joseph
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Registered: 07-17-2005
Fri, 02-27-2009 - 6:36pm

"I don't think that looking at previous generations is necessarily a fair comparison - there are too many variables."

I agree. I also think it unfair when doctors use statistics from hundreds of years ago to tell how many died of a disease. As if we still live in a similar environment.

"I think it gives an indication of why controlled studies of completely unvaccinated vs completely vaccinated children would be difficult to do."

I don't agree with that. I think the reason they can't compare autistic vaccinated children to autistic non-vaccinated children is because no one knows where to find these people who's children were not vaccinated but do have Autism. I meet people every single week who don't vaccinate their kids so I don't buy that they are as few as we're led to believe. You would think that if such people exist (and I'm not saying they don't) then the vaccine pushers would have created a website by now. At least then the Orac's of the world could say "look, here's a website with all these testimonies about non vaccinated children with autism".

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Registered: 01-02-2009
Fri, 02-27-2009 - 7:28pm

I've heard of a few. They do seem to be massively outnumbered by the vaxed contingent.

It is the same with the studies of asthma and allergies in the vaxed versus the unvaxed. The unvaxed are not asthma and allergy free...they just have 1/2 the number of cases or less. I suppose I could go dig up a study or two, but I'm feeling really lazy. Sorry.

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Fri, 02-27-2009 - 8:06pm

I'm convinced that the asthma and allergies are caused by metals. I read so much research on aluminum and vaccine additives that I can't be convinced otherwise. Then of course there's the hives I began to experience right after getting a lot of dental work done. I later had the majority of fillings removed and the hives are now few and far in between. I continued to eat all the foods I was told I was allergic-to throughout the entire ordeal (2 decades) so it was tough convincing me that I ever had "false-food allergies". I have since started reading into that term and I now view it as very similar to the term "SIDS" which in my book is a short way of saying: "Call it anything, just don't stop that vaccine money-train!".

I get angry when I read stories about babies who screamed and cried inconsolably after a vaccine because that is what happened for a solid two months before my best friend's baby died of SIDS. After a round of vaccines, he began to cry louder than ever before and it was non-stop. The day after his second round, he stopped breathing and died. The caregiver gave him CPR, she was holding the baby when he stopped breathing, and immediate CPR did nothing to revive him. He was not under pillows or suffocated by a parent or blankets or toys. She was holding him...his head on her shoulder as she rocked him - and he simply just stopped breathing.

That's where my passion regarding SIDS comes from - not that you ever wondered, lol. I just know that our personal experiences change our attitudes regarding this topic so I do try to assume that there's babies who've died of SIDS and weren't vaccinated but until I find them, there's no convincing me that its not vaccines.

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Registered: 08-20-2007
Sat, 02-28-2009 - 7:13am

There are plenty of nonvaccinated children. There are plenty of nonvaccinated adults. There are almost as many "mysteries" among vaccinated military personnel as there are in the civilian population of young children.


50/50 you think?


You wonder why people are not outraged and you wonder why you don't hear about it?


Politics, Media Control and a population that is --- quite frankly --- dumbed down. Because if you don't take the time to research an issue yourself with an open mind then frankly, you've given in and will believe what you hear without ever questioning it.


But in a previous post you asked if i had been living under a rock, obviously that ment that this is common news, heard everywhere?


It's quite simple. You find me a few thousand UNvaccinated (totally without vaccines) kids with Autism and I'll be convinced to believe the pro-vax side. Likewise, find as many "SIDS" deaths that occurred prior to any vaccine and I'll shut up forever!


LOL. You think it would change your mind? I think not, you have done your own research and made up your own decision who am i to stand in your way? Every link i have posted has all been shot down with the terms ' there just in it for the money or some other reason'. Regarding the pro vax doctors who have written books about vaccines why is it only them that are out for the money and not the anti vax doctors who write books and sell them??? It truely puzzles me


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Registered: 07-17-2005
Sat, 02-28-2009 - 3:05pm
Common news commonly spread can be full of facts, both correct and incorrect. People believe what they hear and we don't realize how often we just go with the flow...correct or not.
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Registered: 09-09-2007
Sun, 03-01-2009 - 1:18am

"Regarding the pro vax doctors who have written books about vaccines why is it only them that are out for the money and not the anti vax doctors who write books and sell them??? It truely puzzles me"

Because the antivax doctors may be making money off books but they aren't making money off vaccines. You aren't being told "oh it's just about money" because your source wrote a book. It's because they are in bed with the pharmaceutical companies.

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Registered: 01-02-2009
Sun, 03-01-2009 - 10:24am

Books are generally not very lucrative. I used to work in publishing and they do not bring in the big bucks. On the other hand, Dr. Offit made millions off of his Rotavirus vaccine patent. In addition, pharmaceutical companies control much of the money for research and have a large foot in the door in most universities. Scientists who don't cooperate won't get the bucks for research and if you don't get money for research you don't get tenure and without tenure you will end up without a career.

The doctors who do the alternative treatments and write the alternative books are not all as white as the driven snow, it is possible to find stinkers who are in it for the money. But there just isn't as much money in alternative stuff as there is on the main pharma road. Reality.

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Sun, 03-01-2009 - 2:16pm

If you were reading more carefully then you would "get it" much easier. I'm really not trying to be mean when I say this, but you have misunderstood some of what you've read. I have to read over and over sometimes, so I do understand.

Don't you see the conflict of interest when a person who is paid by a vaccine producer is the same person who makes marketing/health decisions about a vaccine? Those people have the lives of millions of children in their hands. Why the conflicts of interest? Why put those people in that position? Why is it even allowed? Other nonprofit agencies cannot break conflict of interest laws - why is it okay for government agencies to do it? Why not pick from hundreds of other scientists and doctors who are not paid by big pharma and who don't hold stocks in pharmaceuticals? Are those scientists and doctors not capable of making the same decisions? Why?

The best book EVER written about vaccines was written by a RESEARCH JOURNALIST. Yes, writing is his job, yes he gets paid to do it. The book is full of nothing but facts that are ALL backed up with peer reviewed journals. Yes, he promotes his BOOKS because that is what he does for a living. NOW - let's take a look at what is being promoted when the pro-vax camp writes a book...or on second thought, why don't you find a book that is NOT promoting the sale of vaccines - then we'll talk, okay?

Here is a task for you if you really want to understand the *money*. First find out who makes decisions about how many vaccines your child will receive in his/her lifetime and exactly when they should receive them and how many boosters they will get. Ask yourself who does he/she work for? Has he/she written any books about vaccines or has he/she formulated any vaccines? Does he/she work for, speak for, advertise for, or hold stock in the companies that produce or push vaccines???

Doing that --- will give you at least a *start* in seeing the corruption.

Not a single one us anti-vax folks here...Robin, Minority, Sushi, Tash, Jamie, Randi (and anyone I've mistakenly left out) are getting paid for the time we spend here, spreading the truth. I spend my time trying to spread the truth to parents who otherwise firmly believe what they hear without doing any research. That is because it's never crossed their minds that vaccines may not be as safe as the CDC would have you believe.

If every dime I earned depended upon people thinking vaccines were safe then I would want people thinking vaccines were safe wouldn't I?

Now, these folks who invent vaccines...I suppose there's money in it for them if we use their product - wouldn't you? And when the people who make vaccines write a book aren't they endorsing that product? Doesn't that help make the vaccine-maker rich? The sales of books AND the sales of the product are being supported with the writing of the book. When Neil Miller writes a book - he's only promoting the book!

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Sun, 03-01-2009 - 2:19pm


"You think it would change your mind?"

I do...I think - no I KNOW - that it would change my mind and the minds of many many others.

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Registered: 03-27-2003
Tue, 03-03-2009 - 9:25am

Your response is akin to those who accuse the parents of vaccine damaged children "grasping at straws" for a cause ...


My infant was following the growth chart to a T from 7 weeks of age to 7.5 months, up to the DAY he got his 3rd round of shots...he had no symptoms between that 7 wks to 7.5 months, no sickness, he was a growing fat chubby baby, got the shots on 9/27/99 and went downhill from that moment forward.