Myths as they relate to not vaccinating

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Myths as they relate to not vaccinating
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Sun, 12-14-2008 - 6:45pm

Here are a list of myths that people use to not vaccinate and basically why the rationale does not work:


1. Autism is caused by vaccinations


Truth: So far, 10 studies involving thousands of children have yet to find any connection between the MMr vaccination and autism. The original paper suggesting a connection between the two was formally retracted by 10 0f 13 authors in 2004


*The type of mercury in thermisol does not accumulate in the body. So how can it be harmful?


* Autism rates have continued to rise even after the drug companies phased out thermisol in 2001.


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Registered: 06-24-2008
Mon, 12-15-2008 - 6:47pm

I see what you're saying .. both ways the mercury ends up in the blood though, ingested or injected .. the stomach / digestive tract cannot break down heavy metals .. they are circulated through the body and deposited in the tissues in the end, no matter which way you look at it.

I respectfully disagree that the flu vaccine is a sham .. maybe not EVERYONE need be vaccinated -- but as a nurse in a good-sized city hospital .. I work in geriatrics and a lot of people are hospitalized with influenza and complications resulting from it .. that require medical care (and usually more drugs) for any number of reasons. Granted -- geriatrics are different from infants and children .. BUT by not vaccinating myself I am putting not only myself at greater risk for contracting influenza, and also passing it to my other (non-influenza compromised) patients.

As far as aluminum and alzheimer's .. I've seen some of the studies, and I do believe the animal models do have a lot in common with humans .. that is why studies are done in mice and monkeys --- they are genetically very similar to humans. I will agree that a lot more research should be done about what we are injecting into ourselves and our children .. From my point of view -- I'm exposed to a lot of nasty things in the hospital -- a good number of which could end in miscarriage or fetal harm -- I'm more than happy to have my vaccinations and avoid harm to my unborn baby and myself.

So.. I can sort-of see where those who do not come into contact with these illnesses on a fairly regular basis would feel a stronger desire to avoid the vaccines.



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Registered: 10-25-2008
Mon, 12-15-2008 - 6:49pm
I might be inclined to do so if it is asked in a nice way and not already dismissed in a snotty way ("so called" info).
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Registered: 07-17-2005
Mon, 12-15-2008 - 11:09pm

It needs to be a link or an opinion?

I'll refer you back to Jamie's post on this thread.

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Registered: 09-13-2008
Mon, 12-15-2008 - 11:13pm
Don't really matter to me if you do or you don't. :)

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Mon, 12-15-2008 - 11:21pm


Why is it the medical professionals always assume that every person exposed will inevitably get the disease(s) they come in contact with? And they tend to speak with such certainty that all vaccines work 100% each and every time.

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Registered: 04-09-2008
Tue, 12-16-2008 - 8:00am

It's nice to see some nice dialogue.

Rands

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Registered: 06-24-2008
Tue, 12-16-2008 - 11:36am
Why is it the medical professionals always assume that every person exposed will inevitably get the disease(s) they come in contact with? And they tend to speak with such certainty that all vaccines work 100% each and every time.



-- I don't assume that everyone who is exposed will get a disease .. I've been exposed to TB patients and don't have TB .. any number of nasty things that there aren't vaccines for and I haven't ever been sick while working at the hospital .. aside from the usual winter cold. BUT a lot of the people I work with would get sick (do get sick) if exposed to many of the "bugs" that come into the hospital because many of the people who are hospitalized are immune-compromised in one way or another. Elderly, HIV+, transplant patients on immuno suppressants, etc. I don't believe all vaccines work 100% .. I know flu vaccine isn't even close to a 100% guarantee .. but I do believe that the vaccines lower the chances of my contracting some of the things I may come into contact with, and may decrease the chances of me passing something along from one person to another.



But again, my argument relates mainly to the choice I've made for employment, how that might effect my other patients / coworkers and family -- and for a person who isn't in that position, I can see why you might question the necessity of so many vaccines against things that, for the most part - are not seen in the general population.



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Registered: 06-24-2008
Tue, 12-16-2008 - 11:52am

***There was a study done which I recently mentioned that you may have missed (and one I tend to believe because I tried it and it worked) about flu occurring during the winter months due to lack of sun and vitamin D. For the winters during the past maybe four years I double dosed and no flu, no symptoms, no nothing. Myself personally, do tend to agree that the flu is a result of vitamin deficiency. I'd take vitamins or even artificial light via tanning booths over an injection and more medication anyday, but, that's me, and each has their own opinion.

-- Lack of Vitamin D / sun exposure is a major problem throughout our population. Doctors are even seeing more cases of rickets in children because people are doing such an effective job at avoiding the sun to avoid skin cancer risks. I have no doubt that having adequate vitamins and optimal nutrition is enough in itself to avoid the flu -- and is probably why most young / healthy people do not catch the flu. But not everyone has optimal nutrition / vitamin intake and not everyone is able to get out into the sun. Personally -- I would avoid the tanning booth because of the proven increased skin cancer risk. I take the mercury-free single dose syringe flu vaccine -- I'm more willing to trust that vaccine is safe than to go tanning with concentrated UV radiation .. but .. that is how we differ :)

***The animal model correlation is a complete hypothesis. I've seen studies done myself where mice were used, rabbits, ferrets and monkeys (all for the same vaccination) and it seemed that whichever model posed the best results was the model that best represented the human model. The genetic make-up varies vastly from individual to individual, let alone any type of species. And because the human model is not fully understood and I don't think we'll ever fully understand it, so I find trying to do comparisons a moot point, IMHO.****

-- I can't speak for rabbits or ferrets .. but prior to becoming a nurse, I did cancer research with mouse models .. we used mice because of their genetic make-up, instead of dogs, cats, etc. There are thousands of mouse models who are genetically manipulated to mimic various human illness -- I don't want to debate the ethics of animal research, but short of injecting cancer cells into a person and waiting for the tumor to grow to see what happens, animals (in my case, mice) is about the best that can be done. As far as I'm concerned, the same goes for vaccine research -- short of injecting humans with experimental vaccines .. we have to select an animal model or research would never go anywhere.. So many of the things we learn about the human body were explored in the animal model first, so I, personally believe the two go hand-in-hand.



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Registered: 04-09-2008
Tue, 12-16-2008 - 12:09pm

-- Lack of Vitamin D / sun exposure is a major problem throughout our population. Doctors are even seeing more cases of rickets in children because people are doing such an effective job at avoiding the sun to avoid skin cancer risks. I have no doubt that having adequate vitamins and optimal nutrition is enough in itself to avoid the flu -- and is probably why most young / healthy people do not catch the flu. But not everyone has optimal nutrition / vitamin intake and not everyone is able to get out into the sun. Personally -- I would avoid the tanning booth because of the proven increased skin cancer risk. I take the mercury-free single dose syringe flu vaccine -- I'm more willing to trust that vaccine is safe than to go tanning with concentrated UV radiation .. but .. that is how we differ :)


****See, we almost completely agree here. In the case of the flu, a person is more apt to catch it based on lack of nutrition/adequate vitamin levels. To me, this is pre-maintenance and a person's "choice" as to whether or not they're going to do that, or - go with what they see as the easy route. (I could use an example - but I"ll skip it). The tanning booth thing is rather interesting - I was seeing a holistic doctor, whom as you may be aware, are very much into health and nutrition - and when we were talking about vitamin D, the sun, yada, yada... I made what I thought was a sarcastic remark that I could go tan in the booth! I was waiting to be yelled at, when much to my surprise, he completely agreed, so long as it was low watt bulbs as opposed to what we have here for "maximum tan" of wolf beds (an option).

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Registered: 06-05-2008
Tue, 12-16-2008 - 1:09pm

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I hear of it. They like to call it SIDS so everyone can go on believing that vaccines are safe. And ITA - even one death is not worth it.

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