Myths as they relate to not vaccinating

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Myths as they relate to not vaccinating
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Sun, 12-14-2008 - 6:45pm

Here are a list of myths that people use to not vaccinate and basically why the rationale does not work:


1. Autism is caused by vaccinations


Truth: So far, 10 studies involving thousands of children have yet to find any connection between the MMr vaccination and autism. The original paper suggesting a connection between the two was formally retracted by 10 0f 13 authors in 2004


*The type of mercury in thermisol does not accumulate in the body. So how can it be harmful?


* Autism rates have continued to rise even after the drug companies phased out thermisol in 2001.


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Registered: 01-02-2009
Fri, 01-16-2009 - 8:59am

I'm doubtful about many parts of the good doctor's material, too.

I do know that he is correct about Leicester as I've read an original article on their story. They did stop vaccinating, they did use strict quarantine, and they did have very good results in controlling smallpox. Without having anyone die from the vaccine reactions, which is certainly a plus.

One important point is that the type of smallpox in the U.S., for some unknown reason, changed in or around 1900. The new type was much less dangerous. I can dig up the citation, eventually, but right now I've got to go to work.

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Registered: 04-09-2008
Fri, 01-16-2009 - 10:35am

FYI - when initially posting the link, I made mention that much could be verified (and has been), others not only do I NOT know if it's been verified, I don't know if it's even possible.


Which stats is it you're looking for - I'd like to locate what I can, too. I found the paper to be a fascinating read, but one thing I don't like about it (aside from sources would be nice) are dates originated.


Rands

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Registered: 06-24-2008
Fri, 01-16-2009 - 11:55am

I'm most curious about the stats related to deaths from smallpox vs. deaths from vaccination and how they determined that people died from smallpox (which it is still unclear just what about smallpox kills people) or from the vaccine .. I'm also interested in seeing his sources about the monkeypox being the same as smallpox -- as he insinuates, unfortunately, he doesn't provide his sources.

Even if parts of this writing are correct, I just don't see how he could expect people to read it and take him seriously if he provides no sources .. even high school students have to provide sources!



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Registered: 04-09-2008
Fri, 01-16-2009 - 12:38pm

The more I do this, the more I realize how important it is to reveal sources (or dig them up, whichever).

Rands

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Registered: 06-24-2008
Fri, 01-16-2009 - 1:08pm
no problem :) things did get a little ridiculous for a while ..


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Registered: 04-09-2008
Fri, 01-16-2009 - 3:32pm

Alright, I printed this out and come up with eight pages. (what is it about 8 pages???)


Anyway, so you don't have to sift through all the anti vacc stuff, I just copied the portion of relevance which would appear on page 5 (if you printed out the paper

Rands

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Sat, 01-17-2009 - 5:12pm

"1) Dr. Baratosy's website specifically states that his interests are diabetes, HTN, obesity, cholesterol, thyroid disorders, GI disorders and hormonal changes .. surely they're not all areas of specialties, because he would have had to spend several years in each specialty to consider himself a specialist -- but all that aside .. those are, at the very least his "interests" .. no mention of vaccines or immunology or even infectious disease.. all areas that would help to support his case, here."

Pediatric doctors spend very little time studying the human brain while in medschool. Yet they not only diagnose ADD & ADHD, they also prescribe drugs for ADD / ADHD.

Since Pediatrics is a specialty and since such a huge number of kids have the disorder, seems only logical to educate them further in topics like the human brain.

Why are the credentials of any person on the non-vaccine side always such a big focus?
It sometimes seems like the provax folks do this to take the focus away from the evidence.

Knowledge doesn't always come with accreditation. I got a check just yesterday for work I'm not *qualified* to do. I did an excellent job, my client is happy, I've tested it for months, I have faith that I know what I'm doing and no degree or certification (in that particular field) was required. I am certainly no specialists in the field, but it has been an interest of mine for years so that is how I self-educated my way into earning money at it. My client was charged a reasonable price, an expert would have charged so much more to do the same thing. Now the monthly work I do for this client (which I AM qualified to do) will be a breeze thanks to me doing the job that I wasn't qualified to do. Related fields (such as what the doctor was working with) are often easy to learn about when you already have the foundation.

There is a lot to be said for self-education, which is what I imagine Dr. Baratosy may have done a little bit of...maybe a lot of, we don't know. Regardless, it should not used to take the focus away from the real issues.

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Registered: 07-17-2005
Sat, 01-17-2009 - 5:18pm

"2) This man makes his money from publishing books about natural lifestyles / healthy eating and avoiding vaccines / medications -- he "specializes" in complimentary and alternative medicines -- nothing wrong with that.. just something to keep in mind when we're criticizing the various "experts" and their motives .. this man makes his money from writing books that appeal to the masses who don't want to vaccinate or use medications .. Just like Dr. Offit and others who are pro vaccination / medication are criticized for their share in the profits."

Another tactic to shift the focus. It is usually thrown up when someone points out that the very agency who makes decisions regarding vaccines are made up of people who work for and or own stock in pharmaceutical companies.

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Registered: 06-24-2008
Sat, 01-17-2009 - 9:06pm

Not taking focus away from the argument -- just point out what his interests are (none of which include immunology / vaccinations / virology / or even neuro) and that he profits from encouraging people to avoid vaccinations / medications in just the same way that Dr. Offit and others who are pro-vax / medication profit.

I agree that a "certification" is not always necessary ..although in science and medicine I have to disagree to a point, to advance one's career in a meaningful way, these professionals need to be certified in their "areas of expertise" -- of the several people I know who have children with ADHD, they were not diagnosed by pediatricians .. they took their children to other medical professionals who specialize in ADHD / autism and other developmental disabilities in children. My mother worked in special education for 10 years at the elementary level -- ADHD / autistic children were constantly being evaluated by a wide array of professionals who work with these disorders on a daily basis. With that being said .. no, pediatricians are not neurologists BUT they don't need to be -- since ADD/ADHD is diagnosed based on an complete health history / interview with patient and parents, standardized screening tools and observation as well as tests to measure IQ and social / emotional factors, there is no reason a pediatrician couldn't administer these standardized tests.

Credentials on either side of the debate are a big deal, IMO. As are the sources a person can provide to back up their opinion / findings.

From a natural medicine / CAM point of view, I'm sure that Dr. Baratosy is a great doctor .. his patients are probably very happy with him, and that's great. But I think his understanding of the science may be a little off -- ie monkeypox / smallpox are not the same thing ...and, if I didn't pick apart his paper, who else would? :-p



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Sat, 01-17-2009 - 10:40pm

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I don't know all the criteria for diagnosing ADD and ADHD,

 

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